New manager rumours

[rfb1872 187]

I have a feeling that if Belgium have a poor world cup, Roberto Martinez might become available. He'd be my choice

[rbr 1,256]

1 hour ago, Gonzo79 said:

How do you know he isn't?  And if he isn't, you are aware he can watch matches retrospectively, as they are all televised/recorded.  Or he can have an assistant watch them. 

 

 

If any manager of note or assistant manager had been watching our games it would have been picked up , unless your trying to suggest they are attending in disguise , also watching games on Tv does not give a true reflection on a teams performance or players performance IMHO

[rfb1872 187]

13 minutes ago, rbr said:

If any manager of note or assistant manager had been watching our games it would have been picked up , unless your trying to suggest they are attending in disguise , also watching games on Tv does not give a true reflection on a teams performance or players performance IMHO

For this to happen, the manager would need to be out of work, so we'd be specifically targeting out of work managers. The only currently employed managers who could conceivably go to the games would be McLeish and maybe the manager of Colombia. I don't fancy either

[Bluedell 5,624]

2 hours ago, buster. said:

According to Wikipedia facts, he'd be far too risky given what we need.

 

Olympiakos: Won League with a team that had won the previous five leagues and quit after a season for personal reasons.

 

Hull: 6 months, relegated and resigned

 

Watford: sacked after 8 months

 

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Not one to stick around.

Not what we need

 

 

 

Silva would be a fantastic appointment. He did well at Hull (bottom of the league when appointed, 10 points off the bottom at the end of the season) and was buzzing at Watford until Everton appeared.

 

However, as Rousseau says, he's out of our league and we're not going to get a manager that a team bid £12 million for last year.

[der Berliner 3,744]

I take it that not all resident posters have read the FF thread on FdB, where the opening posts had some interesting facts and figures about deBoer's previous jobs:

Ajax

 

Opinion of fans:

I have been looking through Ajax forums from when he was in charge to get an idea of what fans thought of him. I appreciate that this isn't a

true representation, but we are all indulged in ff so we clearly do care what some fans think.

 

- Results

He was obviously praised heavily for winning four league titles. In general, some fans praised him for doing this because there was a belief

that he did this without the best squad in the country. He was also praised for continually doing this even though they were continuously losing their better players, who were sold (Aldeweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen, etc.) Fans were obviously thrilled with the first title he won, after taking over from Jol who had the team in 4th place and 5 points behind the leaders in December. The fans were pleased to see Jol leave and even happier that a bleak season ended in winning a title.

However, fans were disappointed with the points totals they were winning the league with (73, 76, 76, 71). They compared it to PSV winning the league with 88 points in De Boer's fifth season, with Ajax only getting 71 points that season. The fans started to become divided over De Boer in his final season at the club. This was expected due to falling from champions to 2nd and 17 points behind. In that final season they lost out on the title by 1 point to PSV. They also totalled their biggest points total with De Boer in charge, 82 points. Some fans thought he was getting the most out of the players at his disposal and blamed the club for their transfer policy for leaving him with a worse squad season after season. Other fans blamed him for tactical decisions and problems with players, I'll come onto this in 'style of play'.

 

- Style of Play

This is a very interesting viewpoint because anybody that understands Dutch football will know that the Dutch pride themselves on a 4-3-3

formation and will criticise most tactics out with this formation. Initially the fans were delighted with the change in style from Jol's team that narrowly lost out to McLaren's Twente the previous season. De Boer favoured a 4-3-3 high pressing, attacking system. They were also

impressed with the increasing inclusion of younger players.

However after the first league loss to PSV (De Boer's 5th season) some fans voiced concerns on the style of play. The fans were divided on

this. Some saying his style was far too controlled and defensive, not attacking or entertaining enough. They say that the team became more

defensive each season. Stats have De Boer's team having the best defensive record in the league for every season he was in charge except for his second season, AZ conceded one less goal this season.

In his six seasons in charge they conceded the following in a 34 game league: 30, 36, 31, 28, 29, 21.

Other fans were saying that he was tactically astute and getting the best from his players, especially due to the loss of defenders. Their

centre half pairing changed from Vertonghen/Alderweireld, then Alderweireld/Moisander, then Moisander/Veltman, then Veltman/Riedewald.

They argue that because of the loss of top players the team needed to be more structured and less risky in possession to compensate for a loss of so many good defenders. Others argue that money should have been spent wisely to accommodate for these losses, rather than youngsters being thrown in, or young hot prospects being bought for millions of euros.

In conclusion, De Boer started with a style that most fans enjoyed. High pressing, attacking, whilst still good at the back, and in the favoured

4-3-3 formation. As his reign continued he slowly adapted this to less attacking and more positioned when out of possession. The players were more controlled and methodical when in possession and even accustomed to De Boer changing his formations between a 4-3-3, 4-1-2-3 and 4-2-3-1.

Some fans obviously were against a formation that was not the 4-3-3, where others argue he was trying to compensate for the teams

capabilities and from his mistakes. They seemed to find it refreshing that he could adapt from his mistakes and try and find the solutions but

for some this meant not playing the Ajax 4-3-3 attacking formation.

De Boer also received some criticism on the forums for having a hard stance on individuals with a bad attitude. The accusation was that these younger players were moved on for less than their true value because they were no longer wanted at the club.

 

Reading through the Ajax forums I thoroughly enjoyed how much depth they go into when analysing tactics. They speak about specific player roles, positional sense, space creation. They are very good at debating any changes in tactics and what personnel are or aren't suited to specific roles.

 

Stats:

I thought I'd also give some hard facts of Ajax results throughout his reign. For context De Boer took charge in December 2010.

- League (won, drawn, lost, goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, win percentage, finishing position)

2010-2011

13 2 2 36 13 2.41 76% 1st

2011-2012

23 7 4 93 36 2.24 68% 1st

2012-2013

22 10 2 83 31 2.24 65% 1st

2013-2014

20 11 3 69 28 2.09 59% 1st

2014-2015

21 8 5 69 29 2.09 62% 2nd

2015-2016

25 7 2 81 21 2.41 74% 2nd

 

 

- Dutch Cup

2010-2011

Lost in the final (FC Twente 3-2)

2011-2012

Knocked out last 16 (AZ 3-2)

2012-2013

Knocked out semi final (AZ 3-0)

2013-2014

Lost in final (Zwolle 5-1)

2014-2015

Knocked out last 16 (Vitesse 4-0)

2015-2016

Knocked out R3 (Feyenoord 1-0)

 

 

- Europe

2010-2011

3rd in Champs Lg Group (W1 D0 L0)

Knocked out last 16 Europa Lg (Spartak Moskow 4-0 agg)

2011-2012

3rd in Champs Lg Group (W2 D2 L2)

Knocked out last 32 Europa Lg (Man U 3-2)

2012-2013

3rd in Champs Lg Group (W1 D1 L4)

Knocked out last 32 Europa Lg (Steaua 4-2 pens)

2013-2014

3rd in Champs Lg Group (W2 D2 L2)

Knocked out last 32 Europa Lg (RB Salzburg 6-1 agg)

2014-2015

3rd in Champs Lg Group (W1 D2 L3)

Knocked out last 16 Europa Lg (Dnipro 2-1 ET)

2015-2016

Knocked out playoff Champs Lg (Rapid Vienna 5-4 agg)

3rd in Europa Lg Group (W1 D4 L1)

 

+ + +

 

Internazionale

Opinion of fans:
I couldn't find any translatable forums to get a clear indication of the fans views.
The media I found suggested that fans were unsure whether the blame lay with De Boer or the board.
De Boer was known for taking a hard stance against players who didn't follow his methods. Also, he told the media he would slowly transition the team and it would be his style of football by January. He didn't get this far.
The media were mixed on his tactical approach. He was slated for playing three at the back in his first fixture because they expected a 4-3-3, they also lost that game. Then he was praised for his tactical approach when they beat Juventus. Overall they took slightly negative to his tactical approach and said he needed to adapt better to an Italian way of thinking. De Boer used mostly his 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formations.

 

Stats:
- League (won, drawn, loss, goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, win percentage)
2016-2017
4 2 5 13 14 1.27 36%


- Europe
2016-2017
Europa Lg Group (W1 D0 L2)

 

Crystal Palace

Opinion of fans:
The fans seemed to be in a large agreement to sack him early in the season (after 3 games). There was a section of the fans that wanted him to be given time and saying they needed the likes of Zaha and Cabaye fit before judging him. However, the majority of the fans thought that his tactics didn't suit the personnel. Also, they really hated the three at the back because they didn't have proper wing backs.
The earliest threads are full of optimism expecting him to be there for many years or be snapped up by a bigger club.
After his sacking a few fans spoke up and thought the club was showing a lack of vision. They also thought the team looked better with the four at the back in his last game.
Zaha also came out and said he thought De Boer should have been given more time.
There were a lot of stories that he had lost the dressing room, mainly through losing big characters. They supposedly didn't understand his training methods or their value. And he supposedly undermined them on the training pitch, even getting involved in the sessions.

Stats:
- League (won, drawn, loss, goals scored, goals conceded, points per game, win percentage)
2017-2018
0 0 4 0 7 0.00 0%


- League Cup
2016-2017
Qualified into R3 (Ipswich 2-1)

 

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/frank-de-boer.24938/

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by der Berliner

[buster. 5,185]

41 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

Silva would be a fantastic appointment. He did well at Hull (bottom of the league when appointed, 10 points off the bottom at the end of the season) and was buzzing at Watford until Everton appeared.

 

However, as Rousseau says, he's out of our league and we're not going to get a manager that a team bid £12 million for last year.

We haven't the money to appoint an experienced quality manager and allow him a budget to be able to takeover topspot next Autumn. 

We could get lucky and bring someone in who is especially good/lucky regards recruitment, everything clicks, celtic stutter and we win the title...but that is long odds.

 

I think our most plausible route to success is a manager who will stick around and build something over 2 or 3 seasons in conjunction with an efficient football operation. However, a degree of patience would be required and there lys the weakpoint of that idea.

 

A fantastic appointment isn't a sexy name who would most probably be off at the drop off a hat.

The other issue with a name is how does that impact the DoF/football operation/ strategy ?

IMO the realistic 'names' that may come to Rangers are too much of a gamble themselves to be a better option than a more pragmatic appointment.

 

For me, Clarke is the man but only if he really wanted the job and going by what has been said, that's doubtful.

[ian1964 10,721]

You have to think Mark Allen will have the biggest influence on who the next manager will be! it is a football decision after all

[Bluedell 5,624]

16 minutes ago, buster. said:

For me, Clarke is the man but only if he really wanted the job and going by what has been said, that's doubtful.

I'd be happy with that.

[BEARGER 1,830]

 

 

 

Recent rumours of approach or contact with Frank de Boer have been confirmed as false. Our understanding is there is no contact at this point and he is not on the boards immediate list for managers position

[Walterbear 557]

PDH better than FDB imo.