gersnet article (image) Green, Whyte and the Never-ending Story

[Rick Roberts 246]

4 minutes ago, buster. said:

There are many individuals out there who know bit's and pieces about 'the affair'.

 

You'd need to build a database of names, subjects, collate and see where it took you. Then work about 8 hours a day on it for god knows how long.

 

Not a cheery thought but tThe quicker you start the better because people's circumstances change as the years pass.

What would be handy is a council building full of workers with a remit to work on this for a few years.

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2 minutes ago, Darthter said:

Murray wanted out, but due to HMRC not budging their position, SDM's escape route was blocked....he took the only option that was offered to him.

so while SDM's choice of buyer ultimately had disastrous consequences, you have to look at the situation he was in at the time, that made that exit strategy a viable option for him.

 

Without the EBT stuff overshadowing everything, I'm positive a much more suitable buyer would have come forward.  No-one want to buy the club when there was a high probablility of being hit with a multi-million bill at a later date.

The "EBT stuff" couldn't be shoved to the side (as we know, HMRC refused a settlement offer of around 10M).

 

Sir Duped was reckless wrt the scale of EBT exposure and that was the main catalyst. Thereafter, he predictably chose to look after himself and leave us to the wolves.

 

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Dare I suggest that this has the makings of another Gernset project, like the we deserve better series of a few years ago?

 

Also an excellent subject matter for discussion on the pod once it gets up and running.

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5 minutes ago, Rick Roberts said:

What would be handy is a council building full of workers with a remit to work on this for a few years.

Viz Top Tip for effective shortcuts

 

Kidnap and waterboard a well known spindoctor with a name that sounds like Tack.

 

Disclaimer: a joke

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Just now, buster. said:

The "EBT stuff" couldn't be shoved to the side (as we know, HMRC refused a settlement offer of around 10M).

 

Sir Duped was reckless wrt the scale of EBT exposure and that was the main catalyst. Thereafter, he predictably chose to look after himself and leave us to the wolves.

 

That's the whole point & imho, the root of the whole issue - HMRC refused to negotiate.  They claim they were after bigger fish & wanted our case as a test case.  If they won, it would provide precedence to many multiple cases, resulting in many hundreds of millions of reclaimed revenue for the Govt.

 

IF HMRC had taken the £10/11m offer, the club would have been sold to a much more reputable buyer & everything that ultimately followed would have been avoided.

 

As for SDM...yes he made the wrong decision & he did look out for his own interests (wouldn't you??), but you have to look at how he came to be in that position in the 1st place - because of HMRC's refusal to negotiate.

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I always cringe when I read the words Sir David was duped if he was so silly how did he ever succeed in business there are things that are still to come out about people some high up who were drip feeding the media .

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Just now, compo said:

I always cringe when I read the words Sir David was duped if he was so silly how did he ever succeed in business there are things that are still to come out about people some high up who were drip feeding the media .

Totally...there's no way he was "Duped" - he was given an exit & took it.

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4 minutes ago, Darthter said:

That's the whole point & imho, the root of the whole issue - HMRC refused to negotiate.  They claim they were after bigger fish & wanted our case as a test case.  If they won, it would provide precedence to many multiple cases, resulting in many hundreds of millions of reclaimed revenue for the Govt.

 

IF HMRC had taken the £10/11m offer, the club would have been sold to a much more reputable buyer & everything that ultimately followed would have been avoided.

 

As for SDM...yes he made the wrong decision & he did look out for his own interests (wouldn't you??), but you have to look at how he came to be in that position in the 1st place - because of HMRC's refusal to negotiate.

As you say, HMRC were after a precedent and were never going to settle for the money Sir Duped/MIH could offer.

 

This doesn't provide Sir Duped with an excuse. Nor can we blame HMRC for taking this line (as you said 'looking after your own interests').

 

 

 

 

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Pretty succinct and makes a case that a lot of the dissemination of confidential information and selection of Rangers for particular punishment was coordinated by people across different areas who had privileged access to highly confidential information. 

 

One of the more more intriguing aspects is the source of leaks. It is hard to believe the information would have come from a Civil Servant in HMRC as they are pretty good at playing a straight bat at senior levels and if found out would lose their jobs and nice pension etc. I could almost certainly guarantee that the information would only have been known to a very small number, would have included senior civil servants and higher grade officers and they just don’t do this sort of thing and would easily be identified if they did. 

 

Possible other sources are politicians associated with HMRC, and people from the accountancy and legal fraternity in consort with celtic bloggers based in the same country as some of their board members and of course our own celtic minded media people had to be included. Either way it is clear that a lot of the leakage was extremely well coordinated between a number of people in different areas and wasn’t just one random lunatic breaking into HMRC computers (technically very unlikely). I would not exclude the possibility that a certain football club may have been involved in making sure Rangers uniquely were used as a guinea pig given the closeness of their board to govt and the fact people inside football including celtic knew this was going on (along with their own scams and evasion of debts). The coordination of leaked information across the media was clearly not the work of an amateur. It also wasn’t the work of investigative journalism as Scotland doesn’t have any  (Mark Daley has gone quiet since Dermot called him a Rangers supporter). None of which diminishes our responsibility for mismanaging our club but it does suggest that there is more to this than a desire for sporting integrity. 

 

The article paints a nice picture of collusion against Rangers at senior levels across agencies, and highlights a vilification of only Rangers and no other clubs with financial and moral scars, it highlights a dismissal of justice for perpetrators of crimes against our club post 2012, the total lack of acceptance or acknowledgement that Rangers fans have suffered whilst bankrolling Scottish football even from the depths of the lower leagues. 

 

If there is one positive in all if this it how our club has become more united and in particular how our stadium has been spectacularly packed for 6 years. That is something celtic (18k at a cup quarter final) or vice champions Aberdeen or sell out Saturday Dundee Hibs and the likes  could never have done. 

 

Keep putting the ball in the back of the net Rangers. Our haters feel every goal we score and it is a blow against the lot of them. 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Rick Roberts said:

Boabie. Here's where i think it shows how politically naive and disorganised we are as a support in general (not a bad thing btw, as it should be football and not a tribal dog fight, but that now the environment we exist in). There's plenty of guys wanting to help out and do something but no way of making a real difference or anything happen. For example, look at the recent referee displays, we cant even muster a story in the press putting forward our point of view and setting a narrative.

 

My thoughts is that somewhere out there is a Bear who has access to a smoking gun and wouldn't even know it e.g. proof of certain people meeting up. The next question is would we know how to use that information?  

I'm in no doubt that there was an organised campaign set out to totally destroy Rangers when it was discovered that Murray had once again been playing Big Casino with other folks money. His arrogance made him a prime target but it was Rangers they were after.

The whole media circus was driven using stolen personal information from within HMRC, banks and football authorities. Why there has never been mention of who was doing the thieving/leaking is another question I wanted answering.

The Rangers fans will never be as organised as those connected to Penn State FC - half of them have never been inside the Paedodome and are only interested in bringing down Rangers.