Pacific Quay Musings?

[cooponthewing 1,139]

6 hours ago, Bluedell said:

Of course they would get away with it. Celtic fans have had hun banners with no action taken.

You make a very good and convincing point BD! I think my optimism is misplaced on this subject?

Edited April 9, 2019 by cooponthewing

[buster. 5,185]

9 hours ago, cooponthewing said:

You make a very good and convincing point BD! I think my optimism is misplaced on this subject?

To say that we'd be the only club targeted by SL is over-egging the pudding.

 

As it stands, clubs don't want it and that includes both sides of the OF. 

A watered down version is as far as the footballing governing bodies would go (unless, perhaps there was a serious incident with serious consequences).

Generally, if CCTV is improved and offending individuals are dealt with by the CJS then that is as much as can be done regards the recent object throwing (which incidentally is nothing new).

 

PQ know this but keeping it at the top of the show is probably as much aimed at the politicians as the football authorities.

 

IMO the main reason it's being heavily pushed by PQ because they want to see Rangers targeted and materially punished for sectarian singing.

 

If you listen to what Michael Stewart says on the Monday night Sportsound about 'tens of thousands of fans/sectarian singing' in connection with SL*  and also a clip of Chris McLaughlin interviewing a Dutch journalist (on his twitter feed) where the message is 'punish the clubs' **........I think you get an idea where PQ want this debate/focus to go.

 

Thereafter you'd have another debate on what is sectarian or not and guess how that discussion would go.

 

Note that the debate on PQ and the constant use of sectarian  opposed to offensive.

 

 

*

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p075wpps

 

 

**

 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by buster.

[Uilleam 5,929]

11 hours ago, Tannochsidebear said:

The biggest difference between strict liability and the recently repealed offensive behaviour act is that the one they didn’t like was the law and the courts & PF generally didn’t discriminate. Strict liability will be run by the scum for the scum within football, so can be as biased as the compliance officer is and only see/hear/scrutinise what Radio Scotland/Sportscene/Daily Rhebel push for punishment, and ignore anything done by green brigade and the like.

Correct. Absolutely spot on. 

 

[Uilleam 5,929]

Oh, and the Motherwell fan who lobbed the cigarette lighter at Tavenier was wearing a Rangers' bunnet. 

Somewhat confusing for Strict Liability, in the real world. In Scottish  Fitba'.....Rangers responsible for possibly bi-polar fan's behaviour. 

 

Motherwell, to be fair to it, has fingered the cretin as one of theirs. 

[onevision 1,568]

59 minutes ago, Uilleam said:

Oh, and the Motherwell fan who lobbed the cigarette lighter at Tavenier was wearing a Rangers' bunnet. 

Somewhat confusing for Strict Liability, in the real world. In Scottish  Fitba'.....Rangers responsible for possibly bi-polar fan's behaviour. 

 

Motherwell, to be fair to it, has fingered the cretin as one of theirs. 

Motherwell's quick action has shown the direction that clubs need to be going.

Quick and decisive action is more than enough.

[26th of foot 6,082]

I suspect Sunday afternoon/evening last, might be viewed as a series of defining moments in PQ's attempt to provide definition on Strict Liability? The live broadcast of BBC Radio Scotland's coverage of the Scottish Cup semi-final between Aberdeen and ra Sellik put together with an early evening Sportscene highlights the shimmering mess they have got themselves into. PQ demand answers to questions they don't even dare to ask themselves, because those questions are too uncomfortable.

 

A Dandy Dons/Yahoo fixture is what they live for, it's perfect harmony. You have Big Dick presenting, Liam McLeod commentating, Tom English, Pat Bonner, and Wullie Miller adding colour. The vox-pops are provided by Tyrone Smith; it's all safe, contained to only supporters of both clubs, no awkward or inconvenient comments guaranteed. Mutual masturbation is actively encouraged. It has been established, Rangers under Gerrard have not improved, the oligopoly of the last several seasons remains preserved.

 

We have a monthly period where pyrotechnics have been lobbed on to playing areas at Paisley by Yahoos, the same supporters aim sectarian chanting at both Steven Gerrard and Jimmy Bell. Motherwell fans throw a lighter, a pie, and a few coins at Rangers skipper, James Tavernier, Jambos and Hibees add to the pyro party, and add a touch of creativity by shying a coconut. A Hibby is jailed for 100 days for attempting to attack James Tavernier. All this in the immediate wake of Aberdeen supporters subjecting Gerrard to sectarian chanting and offering a few ditties about the Ibrox Disaster. Just before that, Rangers supporters sectarianly abused Killie boss, Steve Clarke; days before this, Sellik supporters did the same to Killie striker, Kris Boyd and pelted him with coins. 

 

I hope you can pick the needle out of the above haystack? Beeb Scotland went BIG with 'Strict Liability' on one issue in that morass. We had demands from Michael Stewart, DrStu', and Tom English for strict liability now. We had pleas from presenters on both radio and TV, after the obligatory phone-in/studio discussion had concluded that the Scottish Government must step in and deal with the issue. The national broadcaster is the biggest megaphone in the land and the volume was turned up to eleven. Steve Clarke had defined the issue, "it was something from the dark ages".  

 

As far as the rest of, the overwhelming mass of the haystack; PQ treated that as a whiter shade of pale. Calls for strict liability diminished, then disappeared. In fact the current standing from the politically motivated Michael Stewart stands thus, "we need to get a collective approach to try and tackle this and stamp it out". His lame and limp offering from Sunday night's Sportscene. Michael's political muse, Scottish Justice Minister, Humza Yousaf began the week threatening Scottish football clubs. He demanded the clubs tell him of their plans to deal with this vague and unquantified issue? 

 

Last weekend, BBC Scotland's Chief Sports Correspondent, Chris McLaughlin added to the debate by visiting Holland. The Dutch had implemented strict liability and Chris was anxious to present the benefits to both game and society. A several minute film, a few reinforcing chats with shows' hosts, and a piece on the Beeb website told us .............. nothing. A day after broadcast, Tuesday's Champions League quarter-final between Ajax and Juventus saw 146 arrests. An exercise in Double Dutch from Chris, who would have thought?

 

PQ have told us pesky license fee paying Rangers supporters, "we are Editorially fair". I have watched this last month how they exercise editorial fairness. Each incident is reported, thus they can make the statement. It is reported on Ceefax or inserted into their website as seventh item, eg McInnes claiming his red card at Hampden was a direct result of gesturing after being subject to sectarian abuse from the self proclaimed GFITW. This appeared on both Ceefax and the website and disappeared after four hours. There are no discussions, phone-ins, studio guests, ........... etc. The megaphone is severely muted.

 

So, where does this leave us? Will the usual suspects at PQ answer these awkward questions?

 

1. Can we agree, Steve Clarke's outrage at being sectarianly targeted by Rangers supporters would have carried far more substantial weight, if he had condemned those Celtic supporters doing the very same to his club's captain, Kris Boyd, just three days previously?

 

2. Similarly, Derek McInnes and his being sent to the stand. Again, would his claims carry more purchase if he had commented/condemned Aberdeen fans for singing the very same song at Steven Gerrard? Further, his gesture to the Celtic support is the very same gesture utilised by Scott Brown to the Rangers supporters at Celtic Park. Brown has not been punished, why was McInnes sanctioned?

 

3. Long term PQ employee, Derek Ferguson utilised the available megaphone to claim Rangers keeper, Alan McGregor had deliberately set out to do his son, Aberdeen midfielder, Lewis Ferguson. McGregor was cited by the Compliance Officer and suspended for two matches. Does Derek intend to pick up the megaphone again and claim his son set out to do Rogic?

 

4. Will Chris McLaughlin interview Humza Yousaf? It could be conducted in the comfy green leather seats in the north stand after a Sellik game, just saying.

 

5. Do Michael Stewart, DrStu', and Tom English expect strict liability to be extended to clubs, other than Rangers?

 

6, What's the point of Jonathon Sutherland?

 

It's as well we remind ourselves of PQ's claim of being editorial fair, because I suspect it is the hook they hang themselves upon. We should record the evidence because if Humza Yousaf gets involved, that evidence will be lost, or deliberately disappeared.

  

[26th of foot 6,082]

PQ Jottings.

 

1.

 

The PQ Gang Hut has been the usual hive of self interested activity this last month. It should not go unremarked.

 

The new Beeb Scotland second TV channel has launched and after the initial come on such as Tutti Frutti, it is settling down to a regular schedule. DrStu' was a heavy promoter of the then upcoming channel, praising the talent it was attracting(DrStu' thought the new News Editor, James Cook was worthy of particular praise) and, enthusiastically anticipating the outlook to be provided by the new news coverage. All to be expected of a new, modern Scotland.

 

Another staple of the second channel is football. We are provided with live coverage of a Championship match each Friday evening. During Rangers four seasons in the lower divisions, DrStu' was a loud and constant complainer of PQ providing any coverage. He opined as to the national broadcaster devoting any time or energy to a lower league club, the focus should remain on the top tier.

 

DrStu' has changed his tune, he tells of how much he enjoys the exposure being awarded to teams, "in Scotland's most competitive league". Let's be honest, the presentation has had teething problems, at best it's shambolic. You would expect the uber professional that is DrStu' to inject some objective reality; ah mean he never stops telling us of the many important decisions he had to take whilst managing aspects of Channel 4. Last week's match was Ross County against Dundee United, a dozen minutes of the 15 minute half-time break was taken up by broadcasting a mini-documentary on Victorian Scots pioneers taking football to South America. What new modern Scotland expects and what it receives was right there in those dozen minutes. The Presenter was 67 year old DrStu', stone facedly narrating over a dozen black and white photos. I wonder if the production company was connected to DrStu'?

 

There you have it, dearly held principles can be flipped if the constantly grasping aspirational DrStu' is assured he can dip another finger into another revenue stream emanating from the PQ Gang Hut.

 

 2.

 

As discussed above, Sunday was a Dandy Don/Yahoo sound fest on Radio Shortbread. At the beginning of the second half, Liam McLeod was bemoaning the plight of his favourites missing Graeme Shinnie through suspension. It was a theme he returned to on a few occasions as the second period progressed. He explained it was unfair on Aberdeen. They were having to field a teenage midfield pairing of Dean Campbell and Lewis Ferguson because Aberdeen had had to play five matches over three rounds. Replays against Stenny and Rangers had done for the Dandies. He concluded the SFA must look at this and change the sanctions for teams in Aberdeen's position in future. Pat Bonner agreed.

 

There is another self interest theme developing, Liam's fellow Big Dandy, Big Dick was broadcasting similar thoughts from inside the PQ Gang Hut on the evening of the Rangers - Aberdeen Scottish Cup quarter-final. Big Dick was apoplectic that the referee had cautioned eight Dandies that night. Again, a theme he returned to on a number of occasions. It morphed into, "eight Aberdeen players booked, then the ref' relented and booked three Rangers players". When speaking to Wullie Miller after the game he concluded, "surprised eight Aberdeen players have been booked, Graeme Shinnie is out of the semi-final; on another night with another ref, that would have seen three or four of those players not booked"? Wullie agreed.

 

As a BBC License fee paying Rangers supporter, can I add? Rangers had also played five matches over three rounds, and I did not hear anyone at Beeb Scotland asking the SFA to change the rules, particularly reference Alfredo Morelos. Further, on another evening from a Rangers supporters' point of view, the Referee should have sent off at least two Aberdeen players. But then, neither Pat or Wullie would agree with me; the Gang Hut would not allow it.

 

3.

 

Just a query?

 

Michael Stewart or DrStu', which one goes for the fullest full throated consummation of Humza Yousaf's cheesy cock?

 

In a week where Humza is demanding clubs show him their plans to deal with continuing fans' misbehaviour, both Michael and DrStu' say nothing; well in Michael's case, nothing of substance. Everybody else would retort with demanding Humza show us a valid car insurance certificate, and not accept any misogynistic excuse blaming the ex-wife. DrStu' or Michael, who will get up off their knees first?

 

 

 

 

 

[ian1964 10,721]

[26th of foot 6,082]

2 hours ago, ian1964 said:

Well done Ian, how the hell did you manage to get a photograph of the shingle hanging on the PQ Gang Hut? 

[der Berliner 3,744]

Snatched from FF, where Mark Dingwall posted it ?

 

(And it was quickly spotted that the first word was mis-spelled. ? )

Edited April 16, 2019 by der Berliner