Manc Derby

[buster. 5,257]

Deserved win. Could and should have been more

 

I caught half an hour of the first half and it resembled a game between Barcelona and some team near the bottom of the Spanish league,...but maybe the Spanish team could have kept the ball a bit longer.

 

For the amount of money spent that it was embarrassing for MU.

[Rousseau 10,819]

Money is not everything. If you put Guardiola in charge of that Man Utd squad, they'd have won yesterday like City did. It's the philosophy that makes it. We've got a first-hand example of what a philosophy can do to a squad with them.

[buster. 5,257]

Money is not everything. If you put Guardiola in charge of that Man Utd squad, they'd have won yesterday like City did. It's the philosophy that makes it. We've got a first-hand example of what a philosophy can do to a squad with them.

 

Money, if well invested affords opportunity to a manager/coach.

 

Guardiola has used in such a way to create a footballing team, Mourinho has used it to create a big, solid unit with some speed.

IMO Guardiola would have to make several important changes to the MU squad to be successful.

 

What yesterday showed us is that Man Utd don't have an earthly wrt Champions League ambitions.

 

It also showed why Man City are so far ahead in the League and are the first English side for years that are at a level where they can be considered as real contenders for the CL.

[Rousseau 10,819]

Money, if well invested affords opportunity to a manager/coach.

 

Guardiola has used in such a way to create a footballing team, Mourinho has used it to create a big, solid unit with some speed.

IMO Guardiola would have to make several important changes to the MU squad to be successful.

 

What yesterday showed us is that Man Utd don't have an earthly wrt Champions League ambitions.

 

It also showed why Man City are so far ahead in the League and are the first English side for years that are at a level where they can be considered as real contenders for the CL.

 

Of course it affords opportunity, but the philosophy was the difference.

 

It's Mourinho's philosophy that is the problem, not the players. Mourinho is reactive, and if he played City at their own game they'd get annihilated.

 

If Utd and City swapped managers, Utd would win.

 

Again, money is not everything.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Rousseau

[buster. 5,257]

Of course it affords opportunity, but the philosophy was the difference.

 

It's Mourinho's philosophy that is the problem, not the players. Mourinho is reactive, and if he played City at their own game they'd get annihilated.

 

If Utd and City swapped managers, Utd would win.

 

Again, money is not everything.

 

Only if Mourinho was rigid to the point of stupidty.

 

I don't think United have got the players to play the way Guardiola likes.

[compo 7,208]

Sad to see the dross that united serve up now they weren't even second best that award went to the referee .

[Rousseau 10,819]

Only if Mourinho was rigid to the point of stupidty.

 

I don't think United have got the players to play the way Guardiola likes.

 

It's just their styles. They're not going to change.

 

It's not rigidity per se, it's just that he prefers a more solid base, and is more reactive. He can't get his teams to play expansive football; it's just not his style. I don't understand the criticism of this though? If he plays open, expansive football his teams would be ripped apart by City. The only way he can win is to close the game down. A bit like us and Them. Signing the best players won't help (unless they're significantly better). McInnes won't ever have us playing like Rodgers -- they're from entirely different schools.

[buster. 5,257]

It's just their styles. They're not going to change.

 

It's not rigidity per se, it's just that he prefers a more solid base, and is more reactive. He can't get his teams to play expansive football; it's just not his style. I don't understand the criticism of this though? If he plays open, expansive football his teams would be ripped apart by City. The only way he can win is to close the game down. A bit like us and Them. Signing the best players won't help (unless they're significantly better). McInnes won't ever have us playing like Rodgers -- they're from entirely different schools.

 

Then I'd question the Man Utd board's decision to employ Mourinho and would view him as a relatively short-term occupant of the MU dug-out because the support want more stylish and attacking football and the club have the resources to make it possible. The name and CV of Mourinho buys time but not infinite time.

 

In a way you could compare the rational for Mourinho at MU and proposed McInnes at Rangers.

 

Short term stability needed but fresh appt required within 2/3 years.

Edited December 11, 2017 by buster.

[buster. 5,257]

Mourinho is a master of deflection.

 

Manchester derby: Jose Mourinho has water & milk thrown at him in row, Mikel Arteta cut

 

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Manchester United manager Jose Mourinho had water and milk thrown at him and Manchester City coach Mikel Arteta suffered a cut head during a post-match row..............

 

.........The incident started when Mourinho responded to what he perceived to be over the top celebrations.

 

 

Full article

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42306141

[Rousseau 10,819]

Then I'd question the Man Utd board's decision to employ Mourinho and would view him as a relatively short-term occupant of the MU dug-out because the support want more stylish and attacking football and the club have the resources to make it possible. The name and CV of Mourinho buys time but not infinite time.

 

In a way you could compare the rational for Mourinho at MU and proposed McInnes at Rangers.

 

Short term stability needed but fresh appt required within 2/3 years.

 

Yes, I'd agree with that. Mourinho is a solid manager, but I think his style is on the wain -- It certainly dominated in it's time. It's not enough anymore. It will bring stability, and they'll finish, what, top 2-3 consistently? Maybe even the odd title if teams are off the pace.

 

I was content with DM's name being flouted because of that stability. However, I did say elsewhere that I doubt he'd take us forward. You're right with the comparison -- I had never considered that, consciously.