When will it be time to go for Pedro?

[Tannochsidebear 2,429]

Rangers 0 celtic 2 scsf

Rangers 1 celtic 5

Rangers 1 Aberdeen 2

Progres 2 Rangers 0 elq

Rangers 0 celtic 2

Rangers 0 Motherwell 2 lcsf

 

14 wins, 4 draws and 7 defeats out of Pedro's 25 competitive games. We have not won 3 consecutive games since Pedro took over.

 

I read a lot of excuses being made for the manager. Pedro is exactly as his CV suggested he would be, mediocre at best. The longer we kid ourselves that he has a chance to turn it round, the further away our recovery stays. It is as clear as day that Pedro is putting everything into this job but getting no consistent performances out of two sets of players, either the ones he inherited or the ones he has brought in. That is down to his lack of managerial talent, pure and simple.

 

I like him, I like to listen to him speak, I would love him to be a success. He carries himself well, is very dignified and understands what we are all about as a club and support. But what he speaks about doesn't come to fruition on the park. Somehow his vision and ideas are either being ignored or are not understood. That is the manager's job, and he is unable to get it done.

 

I predicted on day one he wouldnt see his first anniversary, not because I want him to fail, it is because he had no right being appointed by Mr Park and our board. It was a bad gamble on a 100/1 shot with the future of our club (thankfully only our fortunes on the park at risk), and it has failed. The board have backed him loyally and financially, and if they didnt bin him after Progres (which was a no-brainer) they wont bin him after yesterday, and we will continue winning a couple and then not winning, while losing all the big important games. We may still grab second place if Dolly is also inconsistent, but we will not be making progress until we change manager.

 

Some say can we afford it, I say can we afford not to? Who to bring in i'm asked? Apparently we got around 70 CV's last time even though Pedro was a done deal, get the word out again and we may be surprised by some of the talent out there that would love to manage us.

 

I dont believe we will make a managerial change, and I dont know what kind of result will be bad enough given some of the results mentioned above were not enough for the board to make a move, and we may well win our next couple of games and think we have turned the corner again, until the next setback. It is, in my opinion, always going to be this long and winding road under Pedro, and inconsistency doesnt get you anywhere, even in Scotland where the level of quality is at an all-time low.

 

The squad is vastly improved, as it should be with a near £10M outlay, but still short in a few areas. We look defensively much better (not hard after MW) and we look like we have goal threats. We have some better players in midfield. But are we really that much better a team?

 

At this stage last season under MW, we had 15 points after 9 games, had just lost to celtic in the SF of the league cup. So we are 2 points better off but lost to a provincial club in the SF this time round. Obviously MW didnt have Europe due to the disgraceful performance in the SCF, so we cant compare Euro campaigns, but clearly MW couldnt have done any worse than the worst result in our 145 year history on Pedro's watch. So for £10M have our fortunes improved at all?

[Walterbear 557]

The answer to the question has to be when it’s obvious we will not finish above Aberdeen and will not win a cup. If someone can find the magic money tree then perhaps before but the question for me always has to be tied in with what kind of football we want to develop long term, who is available to develop that football and how much dosh there is to do it. Until I have clarity on all of the above and it points in a different direction I will support the current manager.

[Rousseau 10,823]

Koeman's now available...

 

I don't think you can compare last season and this. Last season's spell was not his squad, and we were playing with youngsters for the majority of it.

 

There's definite progress; but it's clearly not enough for those that expect us to be beating everyone under the sun. We do need to start showing consistency in our results, for longer spells.

[Gonzo79 15,299]

If we're still behind Aberdeen at Xmas, I'll be wanting rid.

Edited October 23, 2017 by Gonzo79

[rbr 1,266]

Its irrelevant as this board cannot take us forward , we will end up with a stop gap emergency manager , 7 in 7 years , what a shambles

 

 

[MacK1950 2,399]

Sorry Rousseau but Koemans is available as he too has failed don't think that's the answer for us.

[aweebluesoandso 290]

The clock is ticking down on Pedro's tenure, only he can do something about it. Second place behind the tims after the new year, is the very minimum expectation for Pedro. If he can't do that it's Adeus from me.

[colinstein 294]

If things get worse then by the January break. If not he's got until the end of the season.

[der Berliner 3,808]

Let me say this first: the question is a relevant one and needs to be asked.

 

Yet, and that is a big yet, where does a manager's ability start and where does it end. Like the OF games laid at his door step, or the exit to Progres. Bad as it was, the players on the day carried a big responsibility and essentially failed to deliver. Up until the first game against the Scum at Ibrox, all the aforementioned games were mostly played with personell from ast season, personell we all agreed needed to be replaced. Progres was, and I know that people do disagree, a pre-season farce with half of the old and a handful of the new personell. And whether we would have made the group stages is very much up to debate ... and any exit would have received a similar fallout. Likewise, it is equally up to debate whether any other coach would have fared any better with the same players.

 

What we have seen since his arrival is a constant FLAK and ridicule from the m(h)edia, which, when you get it 24/7 for months, does get to you. And with the renowned fickleness of the Bears, IMHO a lot of reasonable discussion went down the drain. Without criticising the OP, the constant repetition of the bad results are pretty pointless right now. No-one bar the Yahoos et al care about our exit against Progres, unless you really want to dwell or revell on infamous stuff (which would be a bit off the norm for your everyday football fan). And those trolls from other clubs can be easily silenced by pointing out their failures in Europe, if they ever got there.

The Scum as a team are head and shoulders above us. 20 to 30m above us, for that matter. They are settled and a well oiled and drilled machine - with or without the help of the officials. We are being put under scrutiny at all frontiers, which eventually may hamper us on the field as well. The expectation levels seem way out of touch ... well, okay, maybe not exactly way out of touch, but sure not in line with reality these days. When you here this talk about "any Rangers should brush the rest of the SPFL bar the Scum aside" you know where things are wrong. And you start to wonder where in these last five years the minds of these people have been?

 

But back to the actual question. I gave PC till the end of September to sort his side out. IMHO, we have been more solid than last season and can play some attractive football. We actually "play football", as opposed what other teams do and did, not least against us. As someone pointed out, nowadays - no matter whether it is Cardoso, Alves or indeed McCrorie - you don't squeeze your bum each time the opposition attacks. Yes, we do lose goals, but that's what everyone does in this game. What we lack is a fighting mentality, which is doubly frustrating as I thought it would be exactly what Dorrans and Jack would add to the midfield. By the looks, teams have (as with MW's side) sussed out the required tactics against us and for the last few weeks we have failed to cope accordingly and change game plans. Which one can sure hold against PC, but there again enters the personell stuff. There weren't any hammer-throwers on our bench yesterday. We were having a debate during the game on the German board as to what needed to change, since our MF was effectively non-existant and we got nothing from the ref. Perhaps PC already noted that the fight was gone from some players or it was one of those days, but as I pointed out elsewhere, changes could have been made to adjust to Well's game plan. And there we would e.g. have blame that can be reasonably levelled at PC for not reacting quicker or more decisive. Somesuch may cost him his job, rather than freakish pre-season stuff or OF defeats.

 

The media will be full of niceties about PC and Rangers today, not least those of a Yahoo-inclination. That will only stop when we lift another trophy. We - and more the players than the manager - chucked it yesterday. A lot of conjecture will come around now ... as well as the almost stereotypical questioning of the appointment of PC. And people will bite again ... and throw their own conjecture about the likes of McInnes into the fray. With not a whisk of knowing how McInnes would have fared as a Rangers manager had he been signed last summer. But that won't matter in this atmosphere of low-key hysteria which is brewing since PC's appointment.

 

It is very much up to the board to see what they do about "the situation", if you want to call it such. I would assume PC will be here till the turn of the year - in the very least.

[Walterbear 557]

I just dont think we’ve got the dosh to do a 3rd rebuild in as many years and there are no transfer windows open now anyway. Our next moves I imagine will also be tied in with Kings position and any liquidity or lack of that might arise.

 

In the first half yesterday we looked pretty smart at times then it disintegrated almost immediately into the second. There is a lot of anxiety in our play but at times there is good quality however we are inconsistent so whether PC stays or goes more money and quality is needed.

 

I can’t see much point in not giving him until Xmas and then assess whether the current squad is going to need enhanced or significantly replaced. In the event of the latter clearly you could not entrust that to Pedro. If the former it could only be based on a good league run and demonstrating we are better than aberdeen with the players we currently have. As we haven’t actually played them yet we really need to give pedro until Xmas.