craig 5,199 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I would need to watch it again to be sure and I do think it was offside by the players position but Dutch television brought up it was only offside if the Ref judged them to be influencing his play. i won't argue until i have seen it again. I'm not arguing pete - but it would take a hell of a lot of convincing to suggest that he "wasn't influencing play". It was his volley that came off the post to Casemiro to score - there is absolutely no way in the world that anyone could legitimately suggest he wasn't an active player influencing play. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 850 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) IMO Messi is the best player this world has ever seen (by miles) and is unfairly judged on his International record (ie. Not winning a World Cup) in a time when no one gives a damn about the International Game. He is up there of all timers but Maradona was still better. I cant imagine how good Maradona would be playing now on carpet pitches and with the tackling rules tightened. I wonder if Messi would be as effective say in Valencia or Sevilles team - probably would but the point being Maradona went to Napoli who werent the biggest side in the league and won them 2 titles. Imagine how good he would have been in that AC Milan side of the late 80s. Edited April 24, 2017 by Gribz 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Cole 0 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 "Messi is the best player this world has ever seen by miles." Messi is superb. But I'm not having that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norris Cole 0 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Nobody on this planet will ever convince me that Lionel Messi is a more complete player than Zinedine Zidane. Capable of better moments, absolutely, and often. But, no. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 We are going way way way off course here - but FWIW Messi is the best to ever play the game. He's definitely better than Zidane, as good as Zidane was. Messi can do things with the ball that Zidane could only dream about. And I suspect even Zizou would admit to that. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 850 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) We are going way way way off course here - but FWIW Messi is the best to ever play the game. He's definitely better than Zidane, as good as Zidane was. Messi can do things with the ball that Zidane could only dream about. And I suspect even Zizou would admit to that. Think we have a thread about the best ever. And this can be moved over if needed but its a good debate. Its a generation thing also, and I always think people should decide of who they have seen and not by reputation. Example Pele goes down by a lot as the best but I couldnt possibly comment as only seen clips. Messi has joined the elite IMO though, he has surpassed Zidane who makes my top 3. Maradona out on his own then Messi followed by Zidane. Edited April 24, 2017 by Gribz 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Hope your kid gets well soon bud. Just a bug mate but he was in charge of the remote tonight. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
compo 7,048 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Zidane Messi you can name them all but George Best was simply the best 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 These things are very subjective. I'd vote for buffon but i havent seen a name i disagree with. Maradona might shade messi for me. Just. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMc 2,754 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It's difficult to compare eras but I don't believe Messi would have close to the influence he is today if he'd played in the 90s or before. Put simply he'd have been kicked senseless in those days. The protection players get today allows guys like Messi to flourish, and that's a great thing, but if you watch some of the stuff players like Maradona put up with when they were playing you'd really question if Messi is physically capable of taking that kind of punishment. If Maradona had played in an era where you could barely tackle far less foul your opponents he'd have been literally unstoppable. Anyway, I've still got my doubts about our manager, I've seen nothing to make me change my mind on his appointment. Not yet at least. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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