StuGers 477 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Wonder how many things like this have passed through "confession boxes" with those receiving confessions covered by archaic laws/rights protecting them from prosecution or giving them immunity. Wonder how many things like this have passed through "confession boxes" with those receiving confessions covered by archaic laws/rights protecting them from prosecution or giving them immunity. That is the problem with a certain religion - all is absolved no matter what it is if you go and confess. It gives whole groups carte blanche to do whatever they want with a completely clean conscience. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 5,948 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 A piece from Oz, earlier this month, re: The Confessional Catholic use of confession to be scrutinised by child abuse royal commission Church argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information given in confessional The confidentiality of the confessional box will be examined by the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse. Australian Associated Press Sunday 5 February 2017 01.45 GMT Whether what is heard in the confessional box should continue to stay there will be considered by the child sexual abuse royal commission as it again turns its focus to widespread offending in the Catholic Church in Australia this week. The former Victorian priest Paul David Ryan, jailed in 2006 for 18 months for indecently assaulting one victim, revealed during a 2015 private hearing that he confessed his sexual activity with adolescent boys to his confessor on multiple occasions. Asked if that was the way he reconciled his actions with God, he said: “Yes. Well I thought I was. I know that was very seriously flawed.” Over the next few weeks the royal commission will look at issues such as the sacrament of confession, celibacy, how priests and religious are selected, trained and supervised, and the church’s structure and governance as it examines why child abuse was so prominent in Catholic institutions. The body co-ordinating the church’s response to the commission argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information in the confessional. The Truth Justice and Healing Council chief executive, Francis Sullivan, believed there was no public evidence before the commission of someone actually confessing a crime of child sexual abuse under the seal of confession. Alerted to Ryan’s testimony, Sullivan described it as an absolute abuse of the sacrament. “If he’s saying he’s using the confessional as a way of alleviating his guilt so he can keep on abusing people, that’s an absolute corruption of the use of the confessional and it’s not what it’s about,” he said. “As a Catholic that’s repulses me.” The commission has also heard the Melbourne pedophile Father Victor Gabriel Rubeo used a confessional situation to “take out” his confessor, who had been alerted by one of the priest’s victims. “I gave absolution and, as he walked out the door, he laughed at me,” former priest Philip O’Donnell told a 2015 hearing. “In other words, he made sure that I couldn’t speak to anyone. I felt totally entrapped by that situation.” Sullivan says it is up to the royal commission if it recommends changing privilege laws. “If they do that and if governments change the law then priests like everybody else will need to either abide by the law and, if they don’t abide by the law, they take the consequences.” A spokesman for the victims’ advocacy group Broken Rites, Dr Wayne Chamley, says answering why the abuse occurred is complex. “It’s certainly not just celibacy,” he said. “I think what they’ll get into is this whole process of religious formation where essentially people were depersonalised, so they no longer were capable of empathy.” The royal commission has received information about more than 4000 institutions but Sullivan has acknowledged the Catholic church is the single largest institutional setting in which children have been abused. “It’s terribly important in these three weeks that that phenomenon of the abuse of power, people abusing their positions of power and privilege, is explored,” he said. In the lead-up to the final Catholic hearing, Perth archbishop Timothy Costelloe again apologised for the church’s failures and the pain it caused so many. “The prevalence of sexual abuse of children and young people in so many institutional settings in Australia, including the churches, indicates that there is a sickness at the heart of our nation which simply must be addressed,” Costelloe said. Sullivan said the church in Australia would take very seriously any recommendations or findings from the royal commission, although there may be issues that could only be dealt with by the Vatican. “If the royal commission is talking about changes in the Catholic church that only can occur in Rome, then Rome needs to deal with that,” he said. “The Australian church will deal with what the Australian church can deal with. It’s as practical as that.” Sullivan said the church had already made many changes, including putting in place an independent body to ensure Catholic entities adhered to new national standards to protect children. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuGers 477 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 A piece from Oz, earlier this month, re: The Confessional Catholic use of confession to be scrutinised by child abuse royal commission Church argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information given in confessional The confidentiality of the confessional box will be examined by the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse. Australian Associated Press Sunday 5 February 2017 01.45 GMT Whether what is heard in the confessional box should continue to stay there will be considered by the child sexual abuse royal commission as it again turns its focus to widespread offending in the Catholic Church in Australia this week. The former Victorian priest Paul David Ryan, jailed in 2006 for 18 months for indecently assaulting one victim, revealed during a 2015 private hearing that he confessed his sexual activity with adolescent boys to his confessor on multiple occasions. Asked if that was the way he reconciled his actions with God, he said: “Yes. Well I thought I was. I know that was very seriously flawed.” Over the next few weeks the royal commission will look at issues such as the sacrament of confession, celibacy, how priests and religious are selected, trained and supervised, and the church’s structure and governance as it examines why child abuse was so prominent in Catholic institutions. The body co-ordinating the church’s response to the commission argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information in the confessional. The Truth Justice and Healing Council chief executive, Francis Sullivan, believed there was no public evidence before the commission of someone actually confessing a crime of child sexual abuse under the seal of confession. Alerted to Ryan’s testimony, Sullivan described it as an absolute abuse of the sacrament. “If he’s saying he’s using the confessional as a way of alleviating his guilt so he can keep on abusing people, that’s an absolute corruption of the use of the confessional and it’s not what it’s about,” he said. “As a Catholic that’s repulses me.” The commission has also heard the Melbourne pedophile Father Victor Gabriel Rubeo used a confessional situation to “take out” his confessor, who had been alerted by one of the priest’s victims. “I gave absolution and, as he walked out the door, he laughed at me,” former priest Philip O’Donnell told a 2015 hearing. “In other words, he made sure that I couldn’t speak to anyone. I felt totally entrapped by that situation.” Sullivan says it is up to the royal commission if it recommends changing privilege laws. “If they do that and if governments change the law then priests like everybody else will need to either abide by the law and, if they don’t abide by the law, they take the consequences.” A spokesman for the victims’ advocacy group Broken Rites, Dr Wayne Chamley, says answering why the abuse occurred is complex. “It’s certainly not just celibacy,” he said. “I think what they’ll get into is this whole process of religious formation where essentially people were depersonalised, so they no longer were capable of empathy.” The royal commission has received information about more than 4000 institutions but Sullivan has acknowledged the Catholic church is the single largest institutional setting in which children have been abused. “It’s terribly important in these three weeks that that phenomenon of the abuse of power, people abusing their positions of power and privilege, is explored,” he said. In the lead-up to the final Catholic hearing, Perth archbishop Timothy Costelloe again apologised for the church’s failures and the pain it caused so many. “The prevalence of sexual abuse of children and young people in so many institutional settings in Australia, including the churches, indicates that there is a sickness at the heart of our nation which simply must be addressed,” Costelloe said. Sullivan said the church in Australia would take very seriously any recommendations or findings from the royal commission, although there may be issues that could only be dealt with by the Vatican. “If the royal commission is talking about changes in the Catholic church that only can occur in Rome, then Rome needs to deal with that,” he said. “The Australian church will deal with what the Australian church can deal with. It’s as practical as that.” Sullivan said the church had already made many changes, including putting in place an independent body to ensure Catholic entities adhered to new national standards to protect children. Yip, my post above pretty much in line with the article. People complain about Sharia Law working in parallel with the normal justice system well this is similar in a way. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC 150 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 A piece from Oz, earlier this month, re: The Confessional Catholic use of confession to be scrutinised by child abuse royal commission Church argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information given in confessional The confidentiality of the confessional box will be examined by the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse. Australian Associated Press Sunday 5 February 2017 01.45 GMT Whether what is heard in the confessional box should continue to stay there will be considered by the child sexual abuse royal commission as it again turns its focus to widespread offending in the Catholic Church in Australia this week. The former Victorian priest Paul David Ryan, jailed in 2006 for 18 months for indecently assaulting one victim, revealed during a 2015 private hearing that he confessed his sexual activity with adolescent boys to his confessor on multiple occasions. Asked if that was the way he reconciled his actions with God, he said: “Yes. Well I thought I was. I know that was very seriously flawed.” Over the next few weeks the royal commission will look at issues such as the sacrament of confession, celibacy, how priests and religious are selected, trained and supervised, and the church’s structure and governance as it examines why child abuse was so prominent in Catholic institutions. The body co-ordinating the church’s response to the commission argues obligations to report child sexual abuse should not extend to divulging information in the confessional. The Truth Justice and Healing Council chief executive, Francis Sullivan, believed there was no public evidence before the commission of someone actually confessing a crime of child sexual abuse under the seal of confession. Alerted to Ryan’s testimony, Sullivan described it as an absolute abuse of the sacrament. “If he’s saying he’s using the confessional as a way of alleviating his guilt so he can keep on abusing people, that’s an absolute corruption of the use of the confessional and it’s not what it’s about,” he said. “As a Catholic that’s repulses me.” The commission has also heard the Melbourne pedophile Father Victor Gabriel Rubeo used a confessional situation to “take out” his confessor, who had been alerted by one of the priest’s victims. “I gave absolution and, as he walked out the door, he laughed at me,” former priest Philip O’Donnell told a 2015 hearing. “In other words, he made sure that I couldn’t speak to anyone. I felt totally entrapped by that situation.” Sullivan says it is up to the royal commission if it recommends changing privilege laws. “If they do that and if governments change the law then priests like everybody else will need to either abide by the law and, if they don’t abide by the law, they take the consequences.” A spokesman for the victims’ advocacy group Broken Rites, Dr Wayne Chamley, says answering why the abuse occurred is complex. “It’s certainly not just celibacy,” he said. “I think what they’ll get into is this whole process of religious formation where essentially people were depersonalised, so they no longer were capable of empathy.” The royal commission has received information about more than 4000 institutions but Sullivan has acknowledged the Catholic church is the single largest institutional setting in which children have been abused. “It’s terribly important in these three weeks that that phenomenon of the abuse of power, people abusing their positions of power and privilege, is explored,” he said. In the lead-up to the final Catholic hearing, Perth archbishop Timothy Costelloe again apologised for the church’s failures and the pain it caused so many. “The prevalence of sexual abuse of children and young people in so many institutional settings in Australia, including the churches, indicates that there is a sickness at the heart of our nation which simply must be addressed,” Costelloe said. Sullivan said the church in Australia would take very seriously any recommendations or findings from the royal commission, although there may be issues that could only be dealt with by the Vatican. “If the royal commission is talking about changes in the Catholic church that only can occur in Rome, then Rome needs to deal with that,” he said. “The Australian church will deal with what the Australian church can deal with. It’s as practical as that.” Sullivan said the church had already made many changes, including putting in place an independent body to ensure Catholic entities adhered to new national standards to protect children. no chance of this happening in Scotland, of course - exempt from the investigation! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,747 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Just remember Penn State and what happened in Scotland back then and now. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,724 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 no chance of this happening in Scotland, of course - exempt from the investigation! It's ok to cover up child abuse in Scotland, just don't sing any songs that may offend or you'll be locked up! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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