the gunslinger 3,366 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Forrester is a bad example in fairness. He's nearly 26. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 PS All the players you mentioned have had a manager play give them their debut at a young age - McKay was 17 when McCoist played him and he was a regular at 18 (I think McCoist wasn't a good manager). So if a manager like McCoist can do it with one of the players you actually mention, then what's Warburton's problem? BTW Before anyone goes on about McCoist "having to play" youths, it's been mentioned several times, including today that he was given a load of money to spend by the board. So either he had to play them or he was backed by the board, they are contradictory (I think McCoist is not a good manager). BTW McCoist debuted McKay while in the SPL. I'll once again emphasise that I'm using McCoist as an example of not a good manager therefore a very low bar for Warburton to surpass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,270 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 I think McCoist is not a good manager but the criticism of him is way over the top and much of it unjustified No it wasn't , he was a terrible manager who put us back years , yet your now slaughtering a guy who has overhauled not just the shambles he inherited but an entire football club , from youths to first team . Yes the results are dusappointing but don't even start to compare him to that charlatan McCoist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 Forrester is a bad example in fairness. He's nearly 26. Yes, I was surprised at that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Think I said 18 which gives him lots of scope. McCoist did it, Walter did it, McLeish did it. Why not Warburton? It's been a year and a half. You might disagree but there is obviously something to discuss. Are there players you feel he's ignoring in this bracket? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Lol lauding mccoist for mckay and I'm a troll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 No it wasn't , he was a terrible manager who put us back years , yet your now slaughtering a guy who has overhauled not just the shambles he inherited but an entire football club , from youths to first team . Yes the results are dusappointing but don't even start to compare him to that charlatan McCoist The problem is that when comparing Warburton to McCoist, he doesn't come out too well these days. I thought he might come good, but he's turning out to be possibly slightly better than mediocre. So as I said before, the worse you think McCoist is, the worse Warburton is. Ally had all the crap to deal with that Warburton didn't and yet you give the LATTER the free ride... I don't get it. I will admit to being dubious about McCoist's extended gardening leave after regime change and the non-vote, but it and whether I like him or not, doesn't affect his track record - which result-wise, although it's difficult to compare properly, isn't significantly worse than Warburton's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,270 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 The problem is that when comparing Warburton to McCoist, he doesn't come out too well these days. I thought he might come good, but he's turning out to be possibly slightly better than mediocre. So as I said before, the worse you think McCoist is, the worse Warburton is. Ally had all the crap to deal with that Warburton didn't and yet you give the LATTER the free ride... I don't get it. I will admit to being dubious about McCoist's extended gardening leave after regime change and the non-vote, but it and whether I like him or not, doesn't affect his track record - which result-wise, although it's difficult to compare properly, isn't significantly worse than Warburton's. Your rewriting history with regards everything mccoist had to put up with , he refused to meet the rfff, he refused to attend the March to Hampden , Sandy Jardine dealt with more than Mccoist did, all ally had to do was put a team onto the park whilst getting a premiership budget , and look how that turned out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 Warburton may be doing absolute wonders with the youth system, but so far we've had no significant promotions to the first team whatsoever (which is unusual even by maligned manager's standards) and our youth teams are winning nothing. It's easy to say give time, but what if it's all bullshit? Andy Roxburgh boasted about all the stuff he'd changed at grass roots and youth levels which would pay dividends in the future with a much stronger team - what happened there? I'm not sure if I even agree with Warburton's philosophy of not caring whether the youths win games or not. It sounds kind of tempting as you are taking the pressure of and concentrating on technique and playing against better players, but part or me wonders about how you make a winner out of someone so used to losing? How do you motivate them? When do they have fun and enjoy the game? Also how do they feel when they've been battered around the pitch by guys a few years older for game after game? A lot of questions there. What we need is proof that it works otherwise it's just an experiment that could go either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Warburton may be doing absolute wonders with the youth system, but so far we've had no significant promotions to the first team whatsoever (which is unusual even by maligned manager's standards) and our youth teams are winning nothing. It's easy to say give time, but what if it's all bullshit? Andy Roxburgh boasted about all the stuff he'd changed at grass roots and youth levels which would pay dividends in the future with a much stronger team - what happened there? I'm not sure if I even agree with Warburton's philosophy of not caring whether the youths win games or not. It sounds kind of tempting as you are taking the pressure of and concentrating on technique and playing against better players, but part or me wonders about how you make a winner out of someone so used to losing? How do you motivate them? When do they have fun and enjoy the game? Also how do they feel when they've been battered around the pitch by guys a few years older for game after game? A lot of questions there. What we need is proof that it works otherwise it's just an experiment that could go either way. I'm not sure it's unusual in 18 months given the starting point. I'd have thought 5 years would be a more sensible period to judge personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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