calscot 0 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Vogts, Burley, Levein and Strachan have certainly done their bit to make watching Scotland a depressing chore... We've not been blessed with savvy managers in charge of our national team - McLeod, Roxburgh and Brown did well to get us to the finals, but imagine what we would have done with a better manager at the time. Although to be fair I wasn't that impressed with Stein and Ferguson was surprisingly poor. The best manager that I've seen for Scotland in my (football conscious) lifetime, was Walter Smith, but due to our low seeding and lesser quality of player, his task was far too great in a group of death - yet he still only missed qualification by a whisker with some bad luck. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 5,948 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) I always had time for Willie Ormond. Ally McLeod really ballsed it up in 1978. After that fiasco, which scarred the best minds of several generations, supporting the Scotland XI was never the same: the fun and fantasy was gone, and, thereafter, well, we just knew....... Edited October 6, 2016 by Uilleam 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg_Mcnoleg 50 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Vogts, Burley, Levein and Strachan have certainly done their bit to make watching Scotland a depressing chore... We've not been blessed with savvy managers in charge of our national team - McLeod, Roxburgh and Brown did well to get us to the finals, but imagine what we would have done with a better manager at the time. Although to be fair I wasn't that impressed with Stein and Ferguson was surprisingly poor. The best manager that I've seen for Scotland in my (football conscious) lifetime, was Walter Smith, but due to our low seeding and lesser quality of player, his task was far too great in a group of death - yet he still only missed qualification by a whisker with some bad luck. Getting us there was the least McLeod should have been expected to do with the squad he had. But you're right that Stein and Ferguson might have delivered more given their managerial pedigree (or, in Stein's case, made less heavy weather of getting there). But, if we've had proven managers and, for a while at least, great players and still been no better than average, it does suggest more deep-rooted problems. I might be in a minority but I don't think Strachan's been too bad and we wouldn't get anyone better to replace him if he went. I was furious after the Georgia game (along with Germany's ridiculous result against the RoI) that cost us a Euro place but it was a tricky group and I'm sure he'd have got us out of many of the others. Unfortunately, the world cup group's a shit too. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,830 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Drawn Lost Win % Competitions Selection committee 1872–1953 231 139 42 50 60.17 — Andy Beattie 1954 6 2 1 3 33.33 1954 World Cup – group stage Selection committee 1954–1957 23 10 7 6 43.48 — Dawson Walker[note 1] 1958 6 1 2 3 16.67 1958 World Cup – group stage Matt Busby 1958 2 1 1 0 50.00 — Andy Beattie 1959–1960 12 3 3 6 25.00 — Ian McColl 1960–1965 28 17 3 8 60.71 — Jock Stein 1965–1966 7 3 1 3 42.86 — John Prentice 1966 4 0 1 3 0.00 — Malky McDonald[note 2] 1966–1967 2 1 1 0 50.00 — Bobby Brown 1967–1971 28 9 8 11 32.14 — Tommy Docherty 1971–1972 12 7 2 3 58.33 — Willie Ormond 1973–1977 38 18 8 12 47.37 1974 World Cup – group stage Ally MacLeod 1977–1978 17 7 5 5 41.18 1978 World Cup – group stage Jock Stein 1978–1985 61 26 12 23 42.62 1982 World Cup – group stage Alex Ferguson[note 3] 1985–1986 10 3 4 3 30.00 1986 World Cup – group stage Andy Roxburgh 1986–1993 61 23 19 19 37.70 1990 World Cup – group stage 1992 European Championship – group stage Craig Brown 1993–2002 71 32 18 21 45.07 1996 European Championship – group stage 1998 World Cup – group stage Berti Vogts 2002–2004 31 8 7 16 25.81 — Tommy Burns[note 4] 2004 1 0 0 1 0.00 — Walter Smith 2004–2007 16 7 5 4 43.75 — Alex McLeish 2007 10 7 0 3 70.00 — George Burley[73] 2008–2009 14 3 3 8 21.43 — Craig Levein 2009–2012 24 10 5 9 41.67 — Billy Stark[note 5] 2012 1 1 0 0 100.00 — Gordon Strachan 2013– 30 15 5 10 50.00 — Totals 746 353 163 230 47.32 Last updated: Malta v Scotland, 4 September 2016. Statistics include official FIFA-recognised matches only. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,199 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 (edited) Vogts, Burley, Levein and Strachan have certainly done their bit to make watching Scotland a depressing chore... We've not been blessed with savvy managers in charge of our national team - McLeod, Roxburgh and Brown did well to get us to the finals, but imagine what we would have done with a better manager at the time. Although to be fair I wasn't that impressed with Stein and Ferguson was surprisingly poor. The best manager that I've seen for Scotland in my (football conscious) lifetime, was Walter Smith, but due to our low seeding and lesser quality of player, his task was far too great in a group of death - yet he still only missed qualification by a whisker with some bad luck. I believe that had Walter stayed he may well have qualified us for the next tournament. However, I am more than glad he left because he came back to us for a trophy laden 3 years. Edited October 6, 2016 by craig 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 1,693 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Any group is now a group of death for Scotland no matter who is in it. We're now one of those the others are hoping to be drawn with. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It was the Paul Gascoigne goal that broke me. After that I spent an hour lying in my bed with tear filled eyes. That was heartbreaking. I hopefully will watch Scotland but to be honest I have no idea when we are playing yet. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacK1950 2,378 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It wasn't the goal that broke me it was McAllister's penalty miss,I still hate getting beat by any team, National or other,from south of the border. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
les186 271 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It was the Paul Gascoigne goal that broke me. After that I spent an hour lying in my bed with tear filled eyes. That was heartbreaking. I hopefully will watch Scotland but to be honest I have no idea when we are playing yet. That was another humiliating defeat which was too much for me. Jeezo all Gary McAllister had to do was put that penalty in the net. Now he is back coaching the Scotland team 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabie 230 Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 The international break is killing me this week and normally they just don't bother me. On the day of the match against the manks I headed over to France for a break with family and friends and came back with a virus that floored me for well over a week. My laptop was gubbed and I couldn't keep up with what was happening at our club. Then, dragging myself out of my sick bed I had to go to Spain to help repair a mates boat . On return I got a new laptop but can't find anything worthwhile footballwise to talk about as I've missed so much recently - which is a bummer as I'm feeling quite sprightly right now. Still, I'll be looking forward to seeing the Scotland game at the weekend. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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