the gunslinger 3,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 You may prove all of those.... But interestingly enough you don't mention proving it is a religious hate crime. Conveniently ignored that as it would be so difficult to prove ? If you convince people it's a sash then it's a religiously motivated crime. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 5,948 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I wonder if any sheriff(s) hearing the case will follow the sage guidance of the Lords of Session, in the 'Big Tax Case' appeal, and take a "common sense" view? In such an event, the crime, such as it is, clearly would be identified as one aggravated by religious bigotry. Of course, if memory serves, the fellow at Tynecastle who had a strong difference of opinion with the Lurgan bigot, was charged with an offence aggravated by religious hatred, and a jury, in this instance, returned a Not Guilty verdict. As far as I know, the "religious rider" on the charge was the reason that such verdict was returned. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If you convince people it's a sash then it's a religiously motivated crime. Why do you think so many murder charges are reduced to 2nd degree murder? It is because 1st degree murder is far more difficult to prove. As for convincing a jury well everybody in the world thinks OJ Simpson killed his wife, except the jury didn't think it was proven to within reasonable doubt. Further than that we are going round in circles. As Uilleam says the Tynecastle guy was found not proven and just done with a breach of the piece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUdodcawHv0&feature=player_detailpage 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhunter 0 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 There is no point in arguing with you anymore. I can only say that I as a Rangers supporting Jury member would not vote for a guilty verdict as I think it was a stupid thought out way to annoy Rangers supporters. I do not believe for a second that there was real religious hate involved. you're at the wind up. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Why do you think so many murder charges are reduced to 2nd degree murder? It is because 1st degree murder is far more difficult to prove. As for convincing a jury well everybody in the world thinks OJ Simpson killed his wife, except the jury didn't think it was proven to within reasonable doubt. Further than that we are going round in circles.As Uilleam says the Tynecastle guy was found not proven and just done with a breach of the piece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUdodcawHv0&feature=player_detailpage Indeed reduced. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) So the guy at tynecastle was charged with a religious crime when no evidence of such existed and here we have breech of the peace when the whole world can see its religiously motivated. Great example. When a protestant commits a breach Of the peace they can't wait to tag on religiously agrovated. When it's a Catholic then they kid on it never happened in charges and the press. Edited October 3, 2016 by the gunslinger 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26th of foot 6,084 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Reference the incident involving Neil Lennon at Tynecastle. The PF decided to include the aggravated addendum to the Breach charge on the evidence of of one witness. The security firm's Supervisor standing at the mouth of the tunnel claimed he heard the 'F' term being shouted. The other dozen people in the immediate surrounds, including the 3/4 that wrestled the assailant to the ground, did NOT hear any sectarian remark. The Police report to the PF advised an ordinary Breach prosecution. The PF went for glory. Actually, the security firm 'Supervisor' was a much more senior figure in the company and had specifically requested the mouth of the tunnel position, he believed he was responsible for Lennon's safety. Of course, it turned out that the Supervisor was a season ticket holder/share holder in ra Sellik. His Jodrell Bank hearing and an aspiring PF denied Lennon proper justice. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 And we are about to be denied it by one doing an impression of the 3 monkeys 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilleam 5,948 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 We will be denied justice for the offensive and inflammatory behaviour of Guttersnipe FC: - for the provocative and demeaning banner: Know Your Place, Hun Scum; -for the provocative and inflammatory banner: This Is War.... -for the provocative and inflammatory banner: Kill All Huns -for the execution posed mannequins -for the tacit connivance of the board and management of Guttersnipe FC in all of the above. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooponthewing 1,139 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 When you write it all down it looks just awful. They are getting away with this as this place is rotten to the core. Cover up after cover up. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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