calscot 0 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I've never had much interest in English football. I could probably count on one hand the number of matches or indeed highlights programmes I've seen in the past year." If we like it so much why didn't we join while we had a chance? - am I misunderstanding you cal . Do you mean joing the EPL ? Yes, in hindsight it was a massive mistake not to try when they were recovering from their European ban. Football can no longer thrive in a small population country - and we've chosen that disadvantageous side of our duel existence. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 This was the bit that REALLY got me......True our game isn't amazing, but surely they can afford to pay the Scottish game more than one presenter in Engerland. The BBC receive approx £325m per year from Scottish license payers. BBC Scotland receives approx £102m back from HQ. (source) Yet the most they can afford to Scottish football is £2.8m???? As someone said previously....the more money that is invested into the game, the more money clubs should have to spend on better players, producing a better product on the park and therefore boosting attendance/viewing figures..... It's not what they can afford, it's what they can get away with... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabie 230 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Yes, in hindsight it was a massive mistake not to try when they were recovering from their European ban. Football can no longer thrive in a small population country - and we've chosen that disadvantageous side of our duel existence. I thought that's what you meant Cal. Imo there would've been no point trying in any case. As has been pointed out on several previous debates here and on other forums, the SFA know what side their bread is buttered on and control all aspects of football played in Scotland. Quite simply, they would maybe in the end have let us play in an English league [if the English had accepted us], but we would've been playing our home games outside Scotland. There is no way they'd have let us play at Ibrox. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannochsidebear 2,429 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It is very disappointing that BBC Scotland are getting a renewed contract. That is going to be worth its weight in gold to celtic in coming seasons. The editing, pundits views, and highlighting of issues within games that involve either us or them is slanted in such a way to cause as much harm to our chances as possible. For example, a celtic player takes out an opponent off the ball. Sportscene will not show this incident. A Rangers player does the same, it will be dissected and calls for the compliance officer to take action will be overwhelming. It is not paranoia when it is true. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabie 230 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It is very disappointing that BBC Scotland are getting a renewed contract. That is going to be worth its weight in gold to celtic in coming seasons. The editing, pundits views, and highlighting of issues within games that involve either us or them is slanted in such a way to cause as much harm to our chances as possible. For example, a celtic player takes out an opponent off the ball. Sportscene will not show this incident. A Rangers player does the same, it will be dissected and calls for the compliance officer to take action will be overwhelming. It is not paranoia when it is true. There is also the issue of volumes being turned up, down, or muted completely depending on which set of fans are acting in an "offensive" manner. Mind you, the BBC are not alone in that respect. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26th of foot 6,119 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 Both Tannochsidebear and Boabie are correct on both counts, it's all about Beeb Scotland's amplification. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,761 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 It is bad for us for sure!,more biased reporting from the agenda driven BBC Scotland!. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexscottislegend 2,375 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 We will never get much from Sky due to Scots watching English football. So many already subscribe without Scottish football, so Sky just want the SP games to keep them sweet, but with as minimal outlay as they can get. Scottish fans of the EP have been slowly killing the income of Scottish football for decades. If we like it so much why didn't we join while we had a chance? Although we know the answer is hubris. The only answer was to give a different TV company the contract - and Setanta filled that hole, until they got too big for their boots and tried to take on Sky with the EP. However, you did get Scots who would only pay for one and not the other, and many chose Sky over Setanta... When was that? Must have missed it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 I thought that's what you meant Cal. Imo there would've been no point trying in any case. As has been pointed out on several previous debates here and on other forums, the SFA know what side their bread is buttered on and control all aspects of football played in Scotland. Quite simply, they would maybe in the end have let us play in an English league [if the English had accepted us], but we would've been playing our home games outside Scotland. There is no way they'd have let us play at Ibrox. I completely agree with you but want to point out the current contradiction from the SFA - who went on about how good it was for the SP without Rangers in it, how competitive, interesting and attractive etc. Surely for that to make sense they would really have to remove Celtic too (without which they were just being complete dunces), and so the solution to that was there. The problem was that while we are part of the UK and the English(/Welsh?) leagues captivate a Scottish audience coupled with the effects of TV money from large paying audiences in large, rich countries, preserving the tradition of our own leagues has been a suicidal or at least crippling move. The Welsh model is there to mock us with our finances being dwarfed by the likes of Swansea City. The OF could have been on a par with Man U and Arsenal. I think in the late 80's and early 90's they'd have taken us to boost their failing game around the time they were moving to form the Premier League. To be fair to us, according to Wikipedia, TV money for the old 1st divistion was about 6.3M in 1986, but rose to £44m in 1988, and although it was rising sharply who would have guessed it would now be 1.7b a year? Ours is now about 17.8m a year - just over 1% of that. They get 20.4m for TWO games. With 12 teams lets call it about 2% per team - they get 50 times more for 10 times the population and you've got to imagine at least 10% of the subscriptions coming from Scots. It just shows how our game has gone from a at least having two clubs that can compete with the best in Europe, to total minnows. But even a proportional 500% increase in TV money wouldn't fix it. The only chance of ever surfacing again is the other smaller countries in Europe lobbying for a Euro league - otherwise football will be dead as a true international game and be the preserve of the top 5 countries. Funnily enough catering just to the top 5 seems to be the plan for some in UEFA. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 When was that? Must have missed it. About 1988, I think there was a chance... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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