der Berliner 3,820 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 He made 15 appearances or rather starts. That leaves 40 odd games where he could have started at cb but didn't. I think we can assume Warburton doesn't agree with you. I would take him I think to challenge for a place. But it looks like Warburton thinks we had 2 better ch last year. No he didn't. He played 30 games for us, and played 21 from start to finish, 12 of those as centre back. Perhaps one of the other two were injured, perhaps not. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dominic-ball/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/167254/verein/124 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 243 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 reads to me 15 x league starts, subbed off 6 times 3x challenge cup 90mins 1x league cup 90mins 5 x sfa cup 90 mins total 24 starts of which he was subbed 6 times 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 No he didn't. He played 30 games for us, and played 21 from start to finish, 12 of those as centre back. Perhaps one of the other two were injured, perhaps not. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/dominic-ball/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/167254/verein/124 Ok so he wasn't chosen to replace them 30 times 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I remain unconvinced he wasn't replacing Wilson because we needed him in midfield. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,820 Posted July 24, 2016 Author Share Posted July 24, 2016 Ok so he wasn't chosen to replace them 30 times Because of his quality, their quality, his experience, their experience, other substitutions that were more important, him being not fit and so on ... It simply aint as black and white as some like the world to be. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Doesn't anyone else think that Kiernan and Wilson were preferred because they had a fast contract and not a short term loan contract. After all They were the ones that were chosen for the long term. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Because of his quality, their quality, his experience, their experience, other substitutions that were more important, him being not fit and so on ... It simply aint as black and white as some like the world to be. I was refuting the point that he hadn't replaced them because he was needed elsewhere. It was a quality etc decision. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Doesn't anyone else think that Kiernan and Wilson were preferred because they had a fast contract and not a short term loan contract. After all They were the ones that were chosen for the long term. Only likely if there was a very minimal difference in quality. I think Warburton though they were better. That's not to say ball won't end up better. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 10,825 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 I doubt Ball is quite what we require. Promising young player, but no matter how good we think he is, or can be, he did struggle to get ahead of 'dumb and dumber' last season (I don't think Wilson and Kiernan are that bad but love that label -- thanks TB!). Ball was 2nd choice at DM and 3rd choice a CB; we now have better players in both positions, so where does that leave him? As GS said, Ball might be good for competition, but I'd prefer a better first-choice CB to be signed. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhunter 0 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 its not just kiernan and wilson who are poor defensively , you can add tav and wallace to that it will be very interesting to see how much pressure is alleviated by JB's presence but you could see against motherwell we were all over the place defensively including set pieces again. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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