Rangers boss Mark Warburton calls on football to adopt Rugby World Cup video replay's

[Bearman 9]

Mark Warburton has called on football to adopt the touchline video monitor system utilised during the Rugby World Cup.

Unhappy with the lack of protection offered to on-loan winger Nathan Oduwa against Livingston by referee Andrew Dallas in midweek, the Rangers manager attended a meeting of clubs and referees’ chief John Fleming yesterday afternoon.

He is of the view that officials need help rather than abuse and favours football following the lead of rugby and tennis by introducing a review system for contentious decisions.

 

 

The imperfections of rugby’s TMO system were illustrated when under-fire South African Craig Joubert wrecked Scotland’s World Cup quarter-final hopes against Australia and was denied a second look at his erroneous ofiside decision.

But a sympathetic Warburton said: ‘You look at the Rugby World Cup and what happened with the incident in the Australia game and the furore that caused and the back-page headlines it created.

'If there are ways to avoid those type of incidents then you’ve got to take them.

‘All sport is getting faster, quicker, stronger. Look how hard it is. You watch an incident in a football match and you watch it a dozen times and still half the panel are saying left and half are saying right.

‘How hard is it for these guys when they have half a second to make a decision? It’s so difficult for them.

'So he or she has got to be given every bit of assistance, it’s as simple as that and we have got to find ways of helping these people.’

FIFA has other issues occupying its time currently.

But Warburton believes TMO or video replays are an inevitable part of football’s future at a time when the standard of Scotland’s referees is a fevered topic.

 

 

I don't agree with Warburton...Rugby may have rules in place but Football should carry on as is and refs being crowded by players adds to the drama where I'm concerned. Hope Rangers develop the 'trend' of all the best teams in Europe and 'challenge' the refs errors. Rugby is only for silly people who have a death wish.

[Bearman 9]

You really have to laugh at the Rugby guy's bringing in tv to hold up the game and the crowd waiting for the tv pictures before they celebrate (or dispair).

 

I'm not for this at all. Keep fitba' fitba'...it's a bunch of poofs who run Rugby (no offence)

[BrahimHemdani 1]

You watch an incident in a football match and you watch it a dozen times and still half the panel are saying left and half are saying right.

‘How hard is it for these guys when they have half a second to make a decision? It’s so difficult for them.

 

Does anyone see a contradiction here?

 

And this question for RANGERSRAB: Who would appoint the video replay judge and what credentials would he have, a nightmare scenario.

 

In the rugby "while Joubert can be accused of making the wrong decision, he cannot be criticised for failing to review the decision with the Television Match Official – because he isn’t allowed to.

 

World Rugby stated earlier in the tournament: “The TMO can be used only in the following circumstances:

 

• Determining the grounding of the ball in-goal for a try or touchdown and/or whether players were in touch or touch in goal before grounding.

 

• Determining whether a kick at goal has been successful.

 

• Confirm if an infringement has occurred in the build-up to a try or prevention of a try (infringement must be within two phases of the try or touchdown).

 

• Considering acts of possible foul play.”"

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-union/international/craig-joubert-was-right-not-to-review-the-decision-that-knocked-scotland-out-of-the-rugby-world-cup-a6699501.html

 

The history of video replay shows that however you start off (say penalties in or out the box, foul play [what kind of foul play?]) inevitably mission creep will extend the range of decisions to be reviewed. Do we really want to end up with the game being stopped every few minutes? Football is a game of controversy, without which we wouldn't have much to chat about on Gersnet, do we really want to sanitise the decision making process. Goal line technology is one thing and eventually I can see it being brought into the penalty box lines but video replay is a step too far.

 

In 2005, Urs Linsi, general secretary of FIFA, said:

 

"Players, coaches and referees all make mistakes. It's part of the game. It's what I would call the "first match". What you see after the fact on video simply doesn't come into it; that's the "second match", if you like. Video evidence is useful for disciplinary sanctions, but that's all. As we've always emphasised at FIFA, football's human element must be retained. It mirrors life itself and we have to protect it."

 

Not much one can agree with about FIFA but I think most would agree with that; but if not how about a deposit for an appeal:

 

The Professional Bull Riders organization, beginning with the 2006–07 season, has instituted an instant replay system in cooperation with the Versus network.

 

A bull rider, a fellow competitor, or a judge may request a replay review by filing a protest to the replay official within 30 seconds of any decision.

 

Any competitor (it does not have to be the rider who is riding the bull in question, as fellow riders can observe the action and spot fouls by bull or rider) may file the complaint to the replay official by sounding a signal at the arena and pay a fee of $500 to PBR before explaining to the replay official why he is filing the request.

 

The replay official (usually a former bull rider) may request different angles and/or slow motion, as well as freeze particular frames. The replay judge will use all available technology to assess the call in question and supply his ruling. This includes using his own hand-held stopwatch to time bull rides, as the official eight-second clock used in PBR competition starts when the bull usually exits the bucking chute.

 

The replay will be used to evaluate timing issues, fouls against the rider for touching the bull or ground with his free hand or using the fence to stay on the bull, or fouls by the bull, such as dragging the rider across the fence.

 

If an appeal is successful, the $500 is returned to the competitor filing the request. If the appeal is unsuccessful, the $500 is forfeited and sent to PBR charities such as the Resistol Relief Fund to assist injured bull riders.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_replay

 

If we went down that route in football, I think the charities would benefit enormously but the game of football would be reduced to a crawl.

Edited October 24, 2015 by BrahimHemdani

[buster. 5,097]

Scottish football should be spending it's scarce resources in the development of talented footballers.

 

Referees need to up their game and implement the rules.

It's one thing making a mistake on something you didn't see properly but failing to implement the rules (eg. OBVIOUS red card) is inexcusable.

 

By bringing in another layer of costly officialdom you won't eliminate mistakes/failure to implement rules.

 

You want to protect footballers and encourage technical development in Scotland ? You don't do it by having Gibbons and Faria elegible to play this weekend after their midweek assaults, ie. change the CO rules/scope to discourage managers from playing the 'Tokely card'.

[colinstein 294]

yet the goal line camera has been an improvement I think

[buster. 5,097]

yet the goal line camera has been an improvement I think

 

Maybe but I think the more viable and salient issue is an improvement within the existing set-up. An improvement that encourages the development of technical footballers and harshly punishes those who seek to reduce the effectiveness by premeditated violence.

 

Many dismiss Spanish referees who often blow for all kinds of contact and enjoy a ref who 'lets things go'.

The upside to the former is that it encourages teams to develop footballers and in Spain, for a technical footballing culture to emerge. The 'Butcher from Bilbao' type player no longer gets a game beacuse they wouldn't spend much time on the park.

 

Spain are now miles ahead of all other nations in the club co-efficient table and have won 3 major championships of late.

Edited October 24, 2015 by buster.

[BrahimHemdani 1]

yet the goal line camera has been an improvement I think

 

The goal line camera does not call for a human being to make a judgement; video replays do just that and as MW says, no two people seeing the same incident from different angles will ever agree.

 

The referee bottled two incidents on Tuesday, no video replay can fix that attitude of mind.

[der Berliner 3,716]

The human factor (i.e. a referee shortcomings) aside, this is not only common in rugby, but in ice-hockey too. And it is not that games are bloated in the extreme timewise.

 

Another problem is that you can do this (video evidence, cameras, 5th officials) "only" at a certain level of the game. Say the top division in each country, at internationals etc.. You won't be able to do that at lower level though, in Scotland probably simply because of the finances involved. Which in turn may cause aggravation down there, as you would create a two-class variety of refereeing. Likewise, in cup games at lesser clubs, such stuff would have to be installed ... and who will pay for that? Perhaps the SFA/SPFL get their Chinese sponsors to send cheap video technology over, to be installed in all SPFL grounds ... ?

[Zappa 0]

Another problem is that you can do this (video evidence, cameras, 5th officials) "only" at a certain level of the game. Say the top division in each country, at internationals etc.. You won't be able to do that at lower level though, in Scotland probably simply because of the finances involved. Which in turn may cause aggravation down there, as you would create a two-class variety of refereeing.

 

There's already class divides in terms of how Scottish football is officiated. You just need to look at the weekly referee & match officials appointments from the SFA to see it laid out in black and white. Here's the SPFL appointments for this weekend - Appointments Saturday 24th / Sunday 25th October 2015

[buster. 5,097]

There's already class divides in terms of how Scottish football is officiated. You just need to look at the weekly referee & match officials appointments from the SFA to see it laid out in black and white. Here's the SPFL appointments for this weekend - Appointments Saturday 24th / Sunday 25th October 2015

 

I don't know when the list is released but I see the man who cannot see or is scared to make decisions, Andrew Dallas has a top flight game and the money that goes with that.

 

Whilst Willie Collum goes from the CL in Istanbul to the C.I. Direct Stadium in Dumbarton.

Edited October 24, 2015 by buster.