Steven Naismith

[Rousseau 10,823]

I'd like to point out she wasn't the first member of the medical team on the pitch, but she was the one singled out by Jose. Medical teams can't go on the pitch unless invited and they are bound by their oath to do their duty. She could get in serious trouble refusing to provide medical treatment to someone.

 

Jose did that because he could, because she is one of very few women in football and therefore it's easy to claim she doesn't understand the game.

 

Erm...No. Mourinho did not single out the female Doctor. He criticised his "Medical staff", saying:

 

"I was unhappy with my medical staff. They were impulsive and naive. [...] You have to know you have one player less and to assist a player you must be sure he has a serious problem. I was sure Eden did not have a serious problem. He had a knock. He was tired." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33837212)

 

The sexist aspect was added by the media to create a story.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Rousseau

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

I'd like to point out she wasn't the first member of the medical team on the pitch, but she was the one singled out by Jose. Medical teams can't go on the pitch unless invited and they are bound by their oath to do their duty. She could get in serious trouble refusing to provide medical treatment to someone.

 

Jose did that because he could, because she is one of very few women in football and therefore it's easy to claim she doesn't understand the game.

I was just waiting for you to say that nonsense .

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

I have no issue with what Mourinho has done here, I think he is spot on. He's going through a blip just now, that's all. He's still the best manager in the world, easily.

[Scott7 6,168]

When a rugby guy goes down, half a general hospital runs on but the play doesn't stop.

[craig 5,199]

I'd like to point out she wasn't the first member of the medical team on the pitch, but she was the one singled out by Jose. Medical teams can't go on the pitch unless invited and they are bound by their oath to do their duty. She could get in serious trouble refusing to provide medical treatment to someone.

 

Jose did that because he could, because she is one of very few women in football and therefore it's easy to claim she doesn't understand the game.

 

Not so Mazza, the physio also was demoted from 1st team duties.

[craig 5,199]

Don't all the best manager 'deflect'? Ferguson was very good at deflecting attention away from him and his team; and always created that 'us versus them' mentality. It's clear that you don't like Mourinho, whereas I do, so perhaps we are both biased in that sense. Like I said, I understand why He criticised the Medial staff.

 

There is a "way" of deflecting though. Ferguson would deflect away from his players by having a go at the media, the other team, referees. The reality here is that he deflected away from his players onto another member of his own staff, something Fergie wouldn't have done. Not only that but his deflection was onto someone who was simply doing their job as they were duty bound to do. It isn't about having a dislike of Mourinho, it is about right and wrong. If you think he was right to a) chastise his doctor for doing her job and b) have her demoted from 1st team duties for doing her job then we will have to agree to disagree. I'm not biased against Mourinho - I just can't see how anyone can understand why he criticized his medical staff for doing their job. Blame the player, he caused it.....

 

 

 

I've said previously: If it's a serious injury, then get on the pitch as quick as possible. I'm not disputing a Doctor's obligation. I'm suggesting it's poor game management, like Mourinho said. It was quite clearly a fatigue related 'injury' (it wasn't an injury) -- and yes the player should be criticised -- so there was no need to come on the pitch. There are plenty of occasions where a player is down, but the Medical team don't come on.

 

How can the Dr determine it is a serious injury without attending to the player ? Are they supposed to be able to assess the injury from 100 yards away ? When a player goes down and stays down it is more than likely the referee will summon the doctor. The doctor has absolutely no idea the extent of the injury, or indeed even the nature of it, until the attend to the person in question. You are almost suggesting that someone goes to the hospital as they aren't well and the doctor that "attends" to them is in a different wing from them and cant even see them

 

I thought that the referee summoned the medical staff on. At that point the ref is likely to have already spoken to the player to ascertain if he needs the medic. So was the player lying ? If so, how on earth can you blame the medical staff for poor game management ??

 

That's a completely hypothetical situation that has no relation to the actual circumstances. (I don't think they were trying to score the winning goal, but trying to hang on to the draw because they had 10 men. The Score and the objective is irrelevant. The fact is Chelsea were disadvantaged -- rightly or wrongly; I don't know because I can't remember who or why they got a man sent off -- and were even more so because the Medical staff came onto the pitch.)

 

Of course it is hypothetical, but one which, if happened, Mourinho would, rightly, have those medical staff sacked for not attending to him. The point being that she had to do her job when the player was down. Just because Mourinho wanted to get the win, or hold on for the draw, doesn't mean she can have a blasé approach to her profession just because Mourinho wants her to, and wants to protect a point. It doesn't work like that.

 

I agree that the player is even more guilty in this situation. However, I also think that the Medical staff should have been a little shrewder in their judgment. I'd be pretty annoyed if Rangers were down to 10 men in the Scottish Cup final against Celtic leading 2-1 and the Doctor comes on to 'treat' fatigue in the latter stages of a game leaving us with 9 men.

 

Again, medical staff do NOT have the luxury of determining the extent of an injury from 100 yards away. They MUST assess up close. If the player remains down it is an age-old assumption that the player does indeed have an injury. You can be annoyed all you want but the medical staff are not being employed to undertake game management. They are there for the safety of the players and to ensure their health. Game management is for the football department, not the medical department.

 

The medical department don't have the luxury of being shrewd in their judgement, at least not from a distance.

[craig 5,199]

When a rugby guy goes down, half a general hospital runs on but the play doesn't stop.

 

Different sport, different rules, different expectations.

[craig 5,199]

I have no issue with what Mourinho has done here, I think he is spot on. He's going through a blip just now, that's all. He's still the best manager in the world, easily.

 

Of course you don't. Doesn't matter whether it was right or not. Reality is that he was wrong to do so. The word from back-room staff at Chelsea is that the majority support the medical team. Go figure...

[Rousseau 10,823]

If you think he was right to a) chastise his doctor for doing her job and b) have her demoted from 1st team duties for doing her job then we will have to agree to disagree.

 

I would argue that a Football Doctor and a GP are two distinct branches, with separate roles and scope. Eva Carneiro is a Sports Medicine Specialist, a branch of medicine that deals with physical fitness and the treatment and prevention of injuries related to sports and exercise. In the case of Football, it is a branch solely concerned with making sure the players are in peak condition to win football games. In that sense surely the role demands a level of game awareness? So, was she doing her job fully? I don't think so. Therefore I think Mourinho was right to chastise her.

 

On checking, she's not actually been demoted, but merely removed from the bench; She still carries out 1st team duties.

 

(Again, I think the player is equally, if not more, to blame; he shouldn't be going down at a crucial stage in the game.)

[craig 5,199]

I would argue that a Football Doctor and a GP are two distinct branches, with separate roles and scope. Eva Carneiro is a Sports Medicine Specialist, a branch of medicine that deals with physical fitness and the treatment and prevention of injuries related to sports and exercise. In the case of Football, it is a branch solely concerned with making sure the players are in peak condition to win football games. In that sense surely the role demands a level of game awareness? So, was she doing her job fully? I don't think so. Therefore I think Mourinho was right to chastise her.

 

On checking, she's not actually been demoted, but merely removed from the bench; She still carries out 1st team duties.

 

(Again, I think the player is equally, if not more, to blame; he shouldn't be going down at a crucial stage in the game.)

 

Can you provide a link to where it confirms she is still on 1st team duties ? Because when I looked the other day the article I read said she was relieved of 1st team duties along with the physio.