Absolutely essential we get the right manager in for next season

[Hildy 0]

Has a non British manager ever been successful in Scotland? Advocaat had a level of success certainly, but he had a significantly bigger budget than all the rest at first and when Celtic started to compete financially under O'Neil he struggled. Wim Janson won the league with the Tims but he still only lasted one season and we'd imploded half way through which really helped him, Hearts won a cup with someone or other from abroad in charge but the Scottish national side, Motherwell, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen, Dundee, Hibs, Rangers and Celtic have all tried 'foreign' managers with really poor results.

 

Picking who'll make a good manager is nigh on impossible, particularly for supporters who don't actually see the personalities and dynamics up close. If you looked at the playing career of Jock Stein or Jock Wallace you'd never have picked them to have the later success they did. Who thought Robbie Neilson was going to be a good coach?

 

First and foremost our club has to win in Scotland and that puts certain restrictions on us. Secondly I think we've a duty as a club to look to have a side that represents the support and that means finding the best players and managers from here and building the team that way. Sure supplement that with outside influence but all football clubs should represent their support.

 

There are managers who are doing well with the resources they've got. Murray at Dumbarton and Fowler at QOTS spring to mind, both those clubs are over-achieving currently and when you see how Alex Neill did with Hamilton and now Norwich you can see the our current league can develop managers. Finding someone with a pedigree is nigh on impossible, we're simply not in that market just now, finding someone with potential is much more realistic. Over to you Dave.

 

Appointing the right manager is extremely difficult and identifying an up and coming talent is not easy.

 

As fans, we mostly haven't a clue who is up to the task, but we're in good company. Football directors often don't have much of an idea either.

 

Major clubs though should have an ongoing awareness of the market. Everything that can be done to find the right candidate should be done but there is still no guarantee that we'll get it right.

 

To be honest, most managers are probably fairly ordinary and unremarkable, but there seems to be a small minority who have the knack.

 

Alex Ferguson had an outstanding managerial career, but I wonder how many spotted the potential when he was first starting out.

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

I do apologise for missing such a stupendous achievement. I stand totally flabbergasted. You have no idea how much Delia has grown in status in my estimation.

Apology accepted.

[Bearman 9]

Delia's record in Europe is awful, a tainted treble might keep him there for next seasons though.

 

As for us getting the right manager in place - it's more difficult in our situation, hopefully McCall is given a chance to prove he is better than Delia.

[les186 271]

It's not that difficult to become a successful manager in Scotland. The standard is so poor. String a few results together and you will soon have BBC Sportscene heralding you as a genius. Lose your job after some bad results and the Beeb will take you on as a pundit. Given the resources that Celtic have and Rangers (used to have) then to be successful in Scotland should not be a problem.

[calscot 0]

Maybe it's just me but people seem to be forgetting something about Celtic in the last few season - yes, success is easy when you have 4 to 10 times the resources of all the other teams, but we've never had that and probably never will in the top tier. It's that bit harder when you have a peer, which is the usual case for the OF.

[Bearman 9]

Managers in any league however difficult it may be eventually meet their match, it's historical.

 

The Scottish league is nowhere near difficult, there is no reason whatsoever that Stuart McCall isn't up to his job.

 

A thread on who should or would be suitable for Rangers manager is scattering bullets for an answer.

 

So I call this thread dead.

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

Managers in any league however difficult it may be eventually meet their match, it's historical.

 

The Scottish league is nowhere near difficult, there is no reason whatsoever that Stuart McCall isn't up to his job.

 

A thread on who should or would be suitable for Rangers manager is scattering bullets for an answer.

 

So I call this thread dead.

Europe is a different story and regular participation is required there quickly if we ever want to get anywhere.

 

We need to at least be aspiring to regularly make the CL group stage. This will be a very difficult challenge and there is nothing in McCall's track record to suggest he has the quality to do this.

Edited April 11, 2015 by Ser Barristan Selmy

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

Maybe it's just me but people seem to be forgetting something about Celtic in the last few season - yes, success is easy when you have 4 to 10 times the resources of all the other teams, but we've never had that and probably never will in the top tier. It's that bit harder when you have a peer, which is the usual case for the OF.

We had that in 9iar and the start of Advocaat's reign.

[der Berliner 3,747]

We had that in 9iar and the start of Advocaat's reign.

 

I doubt we had 4 to 10 times the resources of the Yahoos back then. They have had next to no challengers these last three years and where they failed, they failed for sporting inadequacies. They should have ruled the cups and their leagues and they did not. Especially this season, a half-decent Aberdeen team with next to no finances is chasing them the whole way. Well, chasing is probably pushing it, but anyway.

[Ser Barristan Selmy 222]

I doubt we had 4 to 10 times the resources of the Yahoos back then. They have had next to no challengers these last three years and where they failed, they failed for sporting inadequacies. They should have ruled the cups and their leagues and they did not. Especially this season, a half-decent Aberdeen team with next to no finances is chasing them the whole way. Well, chasing is probably pushing it, but anyway.

And who was challenging us for most of 9iar? In Advocaat's first season we spent almost 40m, they spent just over 6m.