pete 2,499 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 "Football biggest contributor to Scotland's sectarianism with parade fears not borne out, say reports FOOTBALL is the biggest factor fuelling sectarianism in Scotland, with negative perceptions of Loyalist and Republican parades rarely borne out by the events themselves, new official reports will reveal. In the Scottish Social Attitudes 2014 survey the sport is the most commonly referred to factor that contributes to sectarianism, with 88 per cent of those questioned mentioning it and 55 per cent citing it as the main issue. Meanwhile, a two-year study by academics to be unveiled alongside the survey will claim processions by groups such as the Orange Order do much to create strong perceptions of community division and criminal behaviour. However, when members of the public were asked their views of such events, their tone was much less negative. The government commissioned the report from academics at Stirling University in 2012 with a view to it guiding local authorities on policies around marches. A further report on communities and sectarianism looked at its impact on five areas across the country, encompassing Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Coatbridge and the Western Isles. The main report by the Advisory Group On Tackling Sectarianism, which was unveiled in late 2013, said the problem neither stemmed from nor was the responsibility of denominational schooling. It also claimed religious bigotry was neither "the biggest nor the most acute social issue Scotland faces" but had its lifespan extended to help work on the reports being unveiled today. The latest official crime breakdown shows offences aggravated by religion fell by 17 per cent to 635, the lowest total since 2009-10. It is estimated around a third of these are football-related. In March 2012, the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act became law in an attempt to eradicate religious hatred linked to the game. It created two offences, covering the behaviour of people at and around matches and messages sent by post and electronically. There were 56 people reported to the Procurator Fiscal for football-related offences after the Celtic v Rangers League Cup semi-final at Hampden on February 1. Nine of the arrests were for offences covered by the act The government has come in for criticism from senior figures in the legal profession, fans groups and opposition politicians over the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act, brought in as an attempt to curb sectarianism and support for paramilitary groups at matches. The most recent statistics also show race-hate crimes followed by individuals abused for their sexuality far exceed sectarian offences. But the Social Attitudes survey found 88 per cent of respondents believed sectarianism to be a problem in Scotland, with 69 per cent claiming it is only an issue in certain areas, most commonly Glasgow or the West of Scotland. Loyalist marches were cited as the second biggest factor after football, with 79 per cent mentioning it and 13 per cent believing it the biggest contributor, while 70 per cent mentioned Irish Republican marches and three per cent said they were the biggest contributor. Families (58 per cent) and schools (55 per cent) were most commonly viewed as the best places to tackle sectarianism, although exactly half of those surveyed also considered football clubs or the game's authorities had a responsibility in this respect. The parades report, carried out by Stirling University, surveyed almost 200 people in Coatbridge, North Lanarkshire, and the Glasgow areas of Govan, Parkhead and Bridgeton. It found that almost three-quarters agreed recent processions had led to anti-social behaviour or caused tension in the community. However, respondents surveyed on the street on the day of processions were much less negative and those who were there to specifically to support a procession were unsurprisingly generally positive. It found that fringe Loyalist groups and the far-right Scottish Defence League (SDL) were causing communities greater headaches than established marching organisations and were often finding ways to get round parading legislation. Officials said: "Although small in number, processions organised by the SDL and emerging Loyalist organisations created problems for local authorities and Police Scotland and often took the form of static demonstrations thereby avoiding the legislative requirements of public processions. "On occasion, this caused significant disruption (and reportedly, great upset) to local residents." One source said: "The expert group last year said the problem of sectarianism wasn't about schools, at least one of the reports is saying its not parades so are we back at football again?" http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/h...e-ou.118874478 Reply With Quote 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trublusince1982 243 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 gave up at its not the schools. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 There were 56 people reported to the Procurator Fiscal for football-related offences after the Celtic v Rangers League Cup semi-final at Hampden on February 1. Nine of the arrests were for offences covered by the act The latest official crime breakdown shows offences aggravated by religion fell by 17 per cent to 635, the lowest total since 2009-10. It is estimated around a third of these are football-related. 1\3 of 635 being football related means it was 212. You have to take into account the amount of supporters that attended games last season and then divide the total with the total arrested to give you a good view of how big the problem is. I think that will leave a very small percentage. I wonder how many parking tickets were given out last year? i would imagine that is a far bigger social problem. On the Football side of things if you take the Feynoord supporters in Rome then I think Holland has a far bigger problem than Scotland will ever have 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Plus if only 1\3 were football related then how can football be the biggest contributer. Are 2\3 being swept under the carpet. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,677 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 To think taxpayers money gets wasted paying otherwise-unemployable academics to write this tosh is a bigger scandal 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aweebluesoandso 290 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 No mention i see of the apartheid schooling, quelle surprise. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,747 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) What constitutes a "problem"? Is "sectarianism" a "real, noticiable problem" in Scotland? For your "everyday" Scot? Would there be any general debate on this if you take Celtic and Rangers out of all debate? As for the report, it looks again like talking and analysing the symptoms, rather then questioning the real causes. Edited February 20, 2015 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 5,627 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) gave up at its not the schools. They keep expounding this lie but it doesn't become more believable, no matter how often they repeat it. Offering one section of the community schooling in line with their religion and separating one religion is apartheid. Separating kids and keeping them separated throughout the whole of their school life can only lead to differences. These differences are far more relevant than football teams. The engraining that there are differences and making sure that these differences are recognised every single day of their school life makes far more of an impression than the team they support. End educational apartheid and you will make massive strides towards reducing religious bigotry. Edited February 20, 2015 by Bluedell 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgacus 8 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 These are attitudes studies - there is often a huge gap between what people think is going on and what really is going on 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,199 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 gave up at its not the schools. The main report by the Advisory Group On Tackling Sectarianism, which was unveiled in late 2013, said the problem neither stemmed from nor was the responsibility of denominational schooling. It would appear that this was a question that wasn't even put to the people in the poll. Early educative years will obviously have a huge bearing regards the formation of attitudes and division. With that in mind the poll asks about 'family influence' but decides that the elephant in the room can be summarily dismissed, why ? Because it is 'off limits'.............................why ?.....................Because some lobby groups are extremely powerful. Bottomline Unless any such study, poll, initiative etc is willing to look at the problem in an objective and independent manner it is worthless. Actually it is worse than useless, it is propaganda. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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