Charlie Telfer Decision Reached by Tribunal

[Zappa 0]

They were obviously reading Gunslinger saying it repeatedly on here!

 

If it wasn't so sad because our Club is struggling to get anything at all right these days I'd probably laugh about it along with you because it's just so ridiculous.

 

As it is though, today's positive tribunal outcome for us has somehow been turned into the Club looking like an incompetent, shambolic laughing stock again.

[Zappa 0]

Almost reminds me of Charles Green trying to play the siege mentality card.

 

Daniel Stewart used to f**k up their announcements and have to correct them through incompetence. In this case, it seems as though someone is lying.

 

Club statements coming from a dog & pony show in a stable in Normandy?

[Zappa 0]

So did Thompson say this to the press (even off the record?) and they decided to run with it as United's argument in the case?

 

Is this the work of the Cuban Heeled spin merchant in order to create a siege mentality?

 

Is our club really that fucking stupid?

 

Your guess is as good as anyone's mate.

 

It's virtually impossible to tell the constant stream of lies and spin from the truth anymore.

[barca72 440]

When you get right down to it, who cares?

The objective was achieved, i.e. to expose Thompson for the shallow little money-grabber that he is. Once a word is printed it cannot be unprinted, so the impression of Thompson has been reinforced.

Bottom line is we get money for a kid, that may have been a good 'un, that was already lost to us. Not only that, but Thompson's rape of the youth of our leagues is now put on hold because his profit margin has now been reduced and he won't take so many on now in the hope that he gets sell-on profits out of them.

[simplythebest 0]

Bitterly disappointment that we edited the original statement.

 

I've emailed a few fan board members about it

[der Berliner 3,743]

What a shambles.

 

How on earth could we get this wrong and have to retract such a simple statement?

 

Was there no proof and it was just a case of the Scottish media printing stuff from 'sources' at Dundee Utd?

 

Well, how about ...

 

Dundee Utd blast for Rangers in transfer row

 

By Danny Stewart, 8 June 2014 12.11am.

 

“You’ve only got two years of history.”

 

Dundee United have pushed relations with Rangers to breaking point. They have declared: “You’ve only got two years of history.”

 

Tannadice chairman Stephen Thompson delivered the incendiary put-down to Light Blues Chief Executive Graham Wallace in negotiations over youngster Charlie Telfer.

 

Rangers wanted £175,000 to £200,000 in compensation for the development of the player from the age 12 to 18.

 

But United countered with £50,000, arguing only the time since the 2012 liquidation of the Ibrox club is relevant.

 

That’s infuriated the Govan outfit, who squashed talks to await the verdict of an independent panel early next season.

 

It is the latest in a series of conflicts between the clubs, stretching back to United’s involvement in the decision not to allow Rangers to play in the SPL in 2012-13.

 

In deciding to reject an offer from Rangers in order to switch to Dundee United as a free agent this summer, the Scotland Under-19 cap raised more than a few eyebrows.

 

Seen as one of the brightest products of the Murray Park youth system, he was tipped as a future Ibrox first team star. Yet if the failure to hold onto the midfielder irked some Rangers fans, it should be nothing to the reaction to news of United’s inflammatory stance in subsequent compensation talks.

 

Under Scottish regulations, clubs who lose a player under the age of 23 through freedom of contract are entitled to payment for his development and training.

 

The scheme protects those who invest heavily in youth development, only to see their best prospects snapped up by bigger clubs.

 

In exploratory talks about Telfer, Rangers — using the ready reckoner for such cases — asked for a payment of between £175,000 and £200,000 for bringing Telfer through from the age of 12. Tangerines chairman Stephen Thompson, though, offered just £50,000.

 

He dismissed all but the last two years as irrelevant — because in his eyes Rangers only came into existence in 2012.

 

That stance has infuriated the club and will provoke a similar reaction from the Light Blues support.

 

The liquidation of two years ago is not disputed. But, they assert, the purchase of business and assets by the new company covered Rangers’ illustrious history, including the world record 54 titles and seven domestic Trebles.

 

Now, with no agreement reached, the validity of United’s argument — centring on the successful departures of stars such as Steven Davis, Steven Naismith, and Steven Whittaker in 2012 for nothing — is set to be decided by an independent panel. Likely to include a law lord, it should take place early in the new season.

 

The news will do nothing for already strained relations between the two clubs.

 

Many Light Blues fans blamed Thompson for the fact the newco was not allowed to join the SPL two years ago. He was involved in the move to open up the vote to all clubs, the catalyst for the so called “Arab Spring” of fan opposition.

 

With many Rangers fans already annoyed at the Tangerines’ failure to honour tickets for an abandoned league fixture four years ago, the Scottish Cup tie between the pair at Tannadice was subject to a fan boycott.

 

Since then, there has been the rancour over this season’s Scottish Cup semi-final.

 

Sunday Post

 

BTW, the tribunal did recognize previous legal decisions about the continuity of the club, which the Arab head honcho disputed (going against legal and the national authority's opinion). Whatever he and his are greeting about is irrelevant. as they would most likely had to pay e.g. Falkirk the same amount, had they reared Telfer for 10 years. This development fee was created for exactly the reason it has been decided, i.e. recognition of the work of the development clubs, whether it is us, Falkirk, Spartans or indeed the Aras themselves.

[the gunslinger 3,366]

They were obviously reading Gunslinger saying it repeatedly on here!

 

utd have been claiming it for months but they clearly never used it today.

[ian1964 10,720]

Dundee United: Telfer Rangers payout ‘ridiculous’.

 

STEPHEN Thompson, the Dundee United chairman, felt a “dangerous precedent” has been set after yesterday’s tribunal ruling ordered they must pay in excess of £200,000 to Rangers for acquiring the services of Charlie Telfer following his controversial departure from Ibrox in the summer.

 

A lengthy SPFL tribunal got under way first thing in the morning as it met at Hampden to adjudicate over the final fee, and finally reached its conclusion late in the afternoon when United learned they had to pay £204,000 to the Glasgow club, marking the end of what had been something of a saga surrounding the 19-year-old

 

ex-Ibrox youngster.

 

Telfer took the decision to leave first club Rangers on expiration of his contract, and instead opted for a move to Tayside to join Jackie McNamara’s Premiership side in June when his contract had come to an end.

 

Under rules governing the movement of players under the age of 23, Rangers were due compensation and, with both clubs unable to decide on a fee for the player, the matter was then heard by an independent three-man panel in Glasgow.

 

From the outset, Rangers were adamant they were entitled to six years’ cash for the player between the age of 12 to 18, while United maintained the Scottish Championship side should only receive money to cover two years since their liquidation in 2012.

 

The Tayside club were understood to be prepared to fork out in the region of £100,000 but were taken aback on learning they would have to stump up around twice that amount.

 

As he digested the news, Thompson’s ire appeared to have been raised and he took time out to issue a stark warning to parents of all young Scottish players to “choose their clubs very, very carefully”, in light of the ruling.

 

Telfer had made only one substitute appearance for Rangers in a competitive match which lasted no more than 20 minutes in League 1 when victory was already assured.

 

Since then, though, he has gone on to make his mark at United with some impressive midfield displays and only last week was named the SPFL’s Young Player of the Month for November.

 

Thompson, who’s understood to be angered by events, believes other clubs will be put off from attempting to acquire the best young players in this country because of the threat of high levels of compensation. He said: “This judgment in our opinion will have a serious impact on the freedom of movement of some young players through no fault of their own.

 

“Today’s decision protects clubs even in the event that those clubs are responsible for players’ careers being stifled at a critical stage in their development.

 

“It will restrict the opportunities for some of our most promising young players to gain regular first-team football and act as a deterrent to any Scottish football club which wishes to take such players on.

 

“Today’s decision is completely at odds with the stated aims of our football authorities in respect of encouraging our most promising young players to play first-team football at the highest level.

 

“It highlights the need for parents and young players to choose their clubs very, very carefully.

 

“Today’s judgment now sets a dangerous precedent that means some of our most promising young players will be deprived of the opportunity to secure a contract at a club where they have been offered a genuine first-team opportunity and to improve their earnings purely because the compensation has been set at a ridiculously prohibitive level.

 

“The sum awarded to Rangers is almost seven times the amount offered to the player under the terms of his new contract with the Glasgow club.”

 

United, to their credit, have a proud history in years gone by of developing the careers of players such as Scotland defender Andy Robertson, Sporting Lisbon’s Ryan Gauld, Stuart Armstrong, Gary Mackay-Steven, Craig Conway, Paul Dixon, Johnny Russell and David Goodwillie and place much emphasis on helping players fulfil their full potential, whether it’s after they have come through the youth system, or on the back of a move to Tannadice.

 

Yesterday’s ruling is binding at SPFL level which means United now have to pay the sum within the next 28 days.

 

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl/dundee-united-telfer-rangers-payout-ridiculous-1-3629784

[JohnMc 2,750]

At some point someone is going to have to ask how Dundee Utd are managing to portray themselves as Ajax-like when it comes to youth development. In the 70s and early 80s perhaps but not more recently. They're including both Goodwillie and Conway in their list of 'home-reared' stars both of who made their first team debut's in 2006. In that time Rangers have had Allan Mcgregor, Charlie Adam, Danny Wilson, Alan Hutton, Steven Smith, Rhys McCabe, John Fleck, Ross McCormack, Andy Little, Fraser Aird and Lewis MacLoed all play for our first team. That's before you bring in players we've brought in from other clubs and improved and developed before selling on.

 

We're not very good at developing young players either, something universally agreed.

[Frankie 8,562]

Throughout this Utd and Rangers just look stupid.

 

I was going to applaud the club for their statement yesterday but to later find out they made it in error really is embarrassing. How can such a mistake be made?