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SteveC 150 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) As posted by Bobally on F F... SIR David Murray has criticised former Rangers director Dave King over his bid to claw back all of the £20 million he invested in the club 14 years ago. Mr King stands to gain at least £3m as one of the main unsecured creditors of the club's liquidated operating company. The South Africa-based businessman says he intends to continue a legal challenge against the former Rangers owner over the investment. When Mr King ploughed the money into the club, a new share issue had been made to improve the playing squad and develop a strong youth policy through a new academy. The claim comes amid allegations Mr King has made on the basis of non-disclosure by Sir David of Rangers' true financial position in 2000. Sir David said: "I don't understand where he is coming from. There's no foundation at all to it whatsoever, there's been no financial information withheld from him. In all the times he was a director and I was chairman, he had every opportunity to participate in regular board meetings and when he wasn't there he could have phoned in. "He had the chance to approve annual audited accounts. He received the board papers always in South Africa, and he had all the detailed financial commercial information. "He had every opportunity to either attend the board meetings or phone in with any questions. On not one occasion did he ever question anything. In the period of time I was chairman, there would have been 32 or 33 board meetings, all minuted, all detailed - and not one note of a complaint." Mr King's claim places him third on the list of the biggest unsecured creditors of the liquidated RFC 2012 plc. He could end up having an even greater slicer of the creditors' cake if HMRC fail to convince courts that the oldco was liable for £46.2m plus charges over the use of Employment Benefit Trust (EBT) loans to pay players and managers. Liquidator BDO has confirmed that £72m of the £94.4m owed to Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs (HMRC) relies on the outcome of the long-running dispute over the so-called big tax case. Its failure to win that would cut the debts owed from around £160m to £96.8m. The first payouts to creditors are expected in the first quarter of 2015 after BDO confirmed that they have banked £24m after settling a claim against Collyer Bristow, the solicitors involved in the calamitous takeover of the club by Craig Whyte. Mr King's share of the creditors' payout could rise to about £5.7m if HMRC fail to overturn the previous big tax case rulings that the EBTs were legal. The 14-year-old rights issue involved Murray Sports, which was controlled by Mr Murray, taking up rights through its RFC Investment Holdings subsidiary to the tune of £32.3m. Of that, £20m was described as new money from Mr King, invested through his Ben Nevis Holdings. As part of the changes Mr King became a non-executive director at Ibrox. Some of the new cash 14 years ago went towards lowering the club's then £40m debt. Meanwhile, Mr King came under further fire yesterday from Sandy Easdale, chairman of Rangers International Football Club plc's subsidiary football board, over his failed £16m takeover offer. Mr Easdale said it had been "designed as a vehicle for self-promotion of some kind". Mr King had urged fans to boycott matches and stop buying official merchandise in a row with Rangers chairman David Somers over the bid's rejection. Mr Easdale said the bid was never properly received as Mr King did not satisfy Mr Somers' "reasonable and corporately responsible questions regarding proof of funds". http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/king-had-ample-opportunity-to-query-finances-claims-murray.25913874 Edited November 20, 2014 by SteveC URL found 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERRAB 3,669 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Who are the other main unsecured creditors of the oldco? I thought unsecured creditors got hee-haw basically yet it says DK could get £5.7m????? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 good luck to king and any other shareholder for that matter i hope they get the lot back from the liquidators and sdm. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Who are the other main unsecured creditors of the oldco?I thought unsecured creditors got hee-haw basically yet it says DK could get £5.7m????? unsecured creditors merely get whats left after the secured ones are paid in full. they can get anything from all to nothing it varies. i am less clear how king is a creditor though but bdo report appeared to show him and all shareholders as creditors somehow. it's possible that's because it is a liquidation not a administration. Edited November 20, 2014 by the gunslinger 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,744 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Had an uneducated look at the BDO report ... PREFERENTIAL CREDITORS RPO - (1,000.00) Employees Pref Claims - (7,000.00) UNSECURED CREDITORS Trade & Expense Creditors - (7,033,666.84) Debenture Holders - (7,736,000.00) Unsecured E.P.A. - Uncertain Directors - (20,030,000.00) [that would King then] Ticketus - (27,211,671.63) [While legally sound (I assume), can they go after their 20m with both Whyte and us?] Football Creditors - (3,344,432.04) [And here was me thinking that all football debts were paid by NewCo?] HMRC - (94,426,217.22) [ -72m should they finally lose the EBT] DISTRIBUTIONS Ordinary Shareholders - (10,879,400.00) Edited November 20, 2014 by der Berliner "Distributions" added 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 one wonders if the trade creditors that were paid by fans will be honest enough not to make a claim for the cash. ps there are some things missing from that list. at least the 10 million to other shareholders. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,744 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 one wonders if the trade creditors that were paid by fans will be honest enough not to make a claim for the cash. ps there are some things missing from that list. at least the 10 million to other shareholders. They are listed as "Distributions", not "creditors" ... added them now. As I asked before somewhere else, it would be good if one would get a "real" look at the debt rather than something like the above, where all and sundry is thrown in the hat. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimpy 0 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 unsecured creditors merely get whats left after the secured ones are paid in full. they can get anything from all to nothing it varies. i am less clear how king is a creditor though but bdo report appeared to show him and all shareholders as creditors somehow. it's possible that's because it is a liquidation not a administration. I was once told that King's money built Murray Park and he views the training ground as his. Not sure how true that is though. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 They are listed as "Distributions", not "creditors" ... added them now. As I asked before somewhere else, it would be good if one would get a "real" look at the debt rather than something like the above, where all and sundry is thrown in the hat. it most certainly would. because i suspect we could have made good on all debts assuming we win the big tax case in the end. in a proper administration. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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