League Cup Draw : Falkirk v Rangers/ICT (plus seeding talk)

[Rangersitis 0]

Wish people would quit the petty ad hominems...

 

It was poor logic to use it this season and last. I think it's obvious that you shouldn't knowingly mess up the calibration on a measuring instrument then blindly use it measure stuff. That's just illogical. If you can't recalibrate the instrument, you need to find another, more accurate one. Or introduce correction factors that give more accurate results.

 

As usual, they made more than one mistake, but interestingly, two wrongs may actually make a right in this case.

 

Are you advocating that they make up a new seeding system every time that something happens which distorts the league placings?

[pmu 0]

What a fuss. This attitude that we should be seeded above our league place because of our big club status is crass. So the spfl have made an erse of the fixtures, at least this time it might benefit us, lets be honest we moan like f@*# when it appears to go against us. Its not a mess of our making so just get on with it.. If a dundee united get beelin about it then all the better!!

[Hildy 0]

What a shambles.

 

Rangers should have stated loudly that the club has no wish to be advantaged in any way.

 

If we win this tournament, expect it to be referred to as a tainted trophy.

 

Our football authorities made a big deal about sporting integrity and now this nonsense.

[Zappa 0]

What a shambles.

 

Rangers should have stated loudly that the club has no wish to be advantaged in any way.

 

If we win this tournament, expect it to be referred to as a tainted trophy.

 

Our football authorities made a big deal about sporting integrity and now this nonsense.

 

We cut our noses off to spite our faces when we demanded to be put down to the 4th tier of Scottish football, but enough is enough. No more taking it up the shitter from the sporting integrity brigade.

 

If we get the odd bit of luck going our way, then take it gratefully and graciously and move on.

[compo 7,217]

inverness will be a stern test

[barca72 440]

What a fuss. This attitude that we should be seeded above our league place because of our big club status is crass. So the spfl have made an erse of the fixtures, at least this time it might benefit us, lets be honest we moan like f@*# when it appears to go against us. Its not a mess of our making so just get on with it.. If a dundee united get beelin about it then all the better!!

 

Rules are rules.

[Super Cooper 0]

Coming into this late and have no idea what all the fuss is about. Shouldn't we have been seeded like?

[Hildy 0]

We cut our noses off to spite our faces when we demanded to be put down to the 4th tier of Scottish football, but enough is enough. No more taking it up the shitter from the sporting integrity brigade.

 

If we get the odd bit of luck going our way, then take it gratefully and graciously and move on.

Accepting being seeded inappropriately when it works to our advantage is bad form.

 

If something similar had happened to Celtic, we'd have been making accusations about how corrupt and pro-Celtic the authorities are. If fairness and sporting integrity mean anything, rigging the draw, which is what this appears to be, should never be tolerated.

 

If we win the trophy, it leaves us open to accusations of favouritism by the authorities, and we really don't need this on top of all that has happened.

[calscot 0]

Accepting being seeded inappropriately when it works to our advantage is bad form.

 

If something similar had happened to Celtic, we'd have been making accusations about how corrupt and pro-Celtic the authorities are. If fairness and sporting integrity mean anything, rigging the draw, which is what this appears to be, should never be tolerated.

 

If we win the trophy, it leaves us open to accusations of favouritism by the authorities, and we really don't need this on top of all that has happened.

 

I really don't get this line of thinking. Rangers have, form the next round on (should we get there), a no more favourable chance in the draw than any of the 7 top seeded clubs, all of whom you would expect to be the main rivals in the quarterfinals onwards. Previously we've been at a disadvantage from them and indeed have the top of the prem in the next round. If we win the final against a top 7 seeded team, how will we have been favoured? Win or lose the next round, both us and ICT have been handicapped by our inappropriate, early seeding.

 

It's a really strange argument which for me I would be opposed to had it been Celtic or anybody as there is no sense in it.

 

But no matter the seeding and the draw, there is no seeding for the final where any team that thinks they are deserving of the cup, should show it by winning. When you lose in the final you can't blame the seeding of the winners as for that game it makes no difference. (Although like I said there is an exception to competitions like tennis that have games every two days where a fresher finalist after easy draws could beat a more deserving opponent who's knackered from a series of hard draws.)

 

If Rangers win the trophy, there will likely be more SPrem scalps on the way than most winners due to our ICT game.

 

Bad seeding is bad for everyone in the competition as it makes the chances of progression to the later rounds less related to ability and more to luck of the draw. Think about it, without changing Rangers' seeding, every top seed has a chance of drawing us in an early round and therefore a chance of us putting them out early. For clubs hoping to have a bit of a cup run to establish their position as a top club, to make some much needed income, and for a manager to prove his worth, it could be a bit unfair to them if they get beaten by us.

 

Lower clubs, who are likely to go out anyway, to one of the many sides in leagues above them, have the chance of a lucrative and more glamorous game against us removed - even more so if we're also removed from the competition early by a top seed. Having seeds that don't reflect potential of a team is bad for the competition, all the clubs in it and negates the use of seeding in the first place.

 

Seeding is there to allow the better sides a better chance to progress in the competition before knocking each other out in the later stages and allowing smaller teams a chance at a top side instead of just another one with their peers. Rangers seeding of 23rd, breaks this model and the whole of the seeding's raison d'etre.

 

The only reason ones who gain from it are Celtic as they are the only ones in a strong enough position to be highly confident of beating us (if the hot and cold balls allowed it), while they would also take more pleasure than the rest for us going out early to a top tier side.

[calscot 0]

Are you advocating that they make up a new seeding system every time that something happens which distorts the league placings?

 

You always have to be vigilant that your processes are working as they should and beneficial to your goals. You don't keep processes the same for the sake of it when they are clearly no longer suitable. It's about good management which also pretty much common sense. Sporting integrity would demand it.

 

When they see that their seeding system is clearly no longer appropriate - in a big way, then yes, they should obviously change it. Even an adjustment by committee giving proper justification would do - as I said in a previous post, the only club to have a complaint that wouldn't be like cutting off their nose to spite their face, would be Celtic as they would expect to give us a doing while we are under strength and are probably looking forward to doing so.

 

Other, sporting bodies do this as it just makes sense. Scottish football, however, is obviously broken by jealousy and hate.