Hildy 0 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Some people will pay their money to the club no matter who is in charge. They feel that this is a demonstration of loyalty. Others will stop funding the club completely. They see themselves as being loyal to the Rangers cause rather than being loyal to a regime that they have no faith in. Whatever people feel, Rangers is a damaged football club that will never truly flourish until this situation is resolved. And the longer it takes to resolve it, the more damaging it will be. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,652 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Some people will pay their money to the club no matter who is in charge. They feel that this is a demonstration of loyalty. Others will stop funding the club completely. They see themselves as being loyal to the Rangers cause rather than being loyal to a regime that they have no faith in. Whatever people feel, Rangers is a damaged football club that will never truly flourish until this situation is resolved. And the longer it takes to resolve it, the more damaging it will be. Well put. For me, the main problem is the regime don't seem to be doing enough to change this. Even if we ignore the 'efforts' of King or AN Other, the club's performance remains weak. As I've said all along, only the board of the club can change this. They continue to unimpress. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,803 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I think the point in going game by game is that you can stop going if you feel there's an issue that warrants you withholding their money. But, to be perfectly frank, I think this scheme was never going to work anyway and the UoF's performance hasn't been great. In saying that, I agree entirely with their assessment of Stockbridge and it surprises me just how many people are prepared to excuse the club handing out more money to someone who has been worse than most when it comes to damaging our club. I haven't read anything like that though? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,761 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The board refuse to open discussions with fans,even turning the fans money away,strange! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,257 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The situation is: - that money going into the club is still in part being sucked straight out via onerous contracts, bonus culture, etc. - that those in executive control both on the board and somewhere behind the board are part of an ongoing process that comes in stages and has an MO of extracting money, value and positioning the assets. - this particular stage looks to keep the show on the road so as onerous contracts are paid, other benefits can be extracted and assets positioned. - 227 days after Graham Wallace signed a contract with a 100% non-specific bonus clause (due last week) and as the club sign veterens with significant injury history, we don't have a scouting network/ head scout. - The levels of corporate goverence, the lack of transpareny, the misleading spin, the contradictory messages, the patronising and plastic efforts of 'engagement', the vanishing money etc.........all point to a slow boat, not to China but to Portsmouth or perhaps a train to Leeds or Coventry. When you spend a Blue Pound, it will be divided between sp.iv and club. When you consider back in the day, that a season in the CL group stages had us break-even or show a small profit, then you'll appreciate the level the club will have to operate at when there is No CL money and what money there is has to be essentially divvied up between sp.iv and club. This means our forseeable Top Tier glass ceiling is going to be second place and that we'll on average probably get to the final qualifying round of the Europa League (in August) before being papped out. Of course along the way, we'll lose ownership of the main assets, including Ibrox. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,761 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The situation is: - that money going into the club is still in part being sucked straight out via onerous contracts, bonus culture, etc. - that those in executive control both on the board and somewhere behind the board are part of an ongoing process that comes in stages and has an MO of extracting money, value and positioning the assets. - this particular stage looks to keep the show on the road so as onerous contracts are paid, other benefits can be extracted and assets positioned. - 227 days after Graham Wallace signed a contract with a 100% non-specific bonus clause (due last week) and as the club sign veterens with significant injury history, we don't have a scouting network/ head scout. - The levels of corporate goverence, the lack of transpareny, the misleading spin, the contradictory messages, the patronising and plastic efforts of 'engagement', the vanishing money etc.........all point to a slow boat, not to China but to Portsmouth or perhaps a train to Leeds or Coventry. When you spend a Blue Pound, it will be divided between sp.iv and club. When you consider back in the day, that a season in the CL group stages had us break-even or show a small profit, then you'll appreciate the level the club will have to operate at when there is No CL money and what money there is has to be essentially divvied up between sp.iv and club. This means our forseeable Top Tier glass ceiling is going to be second place and that we'll on average probably get to the final qualifying round of the Europa League (in August) before being papped out. Of course along the way, we'll lose ownership of the main assets, including Ibrox. No no, the board are doing a grand job,it's those pesky rebel fans who are harming the club and preventing the club moving forward! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,652 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I haven't read anything like that though? You don't use Twitter then. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,652 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The situation is: - that money going into the club is still in part being sucked straight out via onerous contracts, bonus culture, etc. - that those in executive control both on the board and somewhere behind the board are part of an ongoing process that comes in stages and has an MO of extracting money, value and positioning the assets. - this particular stage looks to keep the show on the road so as onerous contracts are paid, other benefits can be extracted and assets positioned. - 227 days after Graham Wallace signed a contract with a 100% non-specific bonus clause (due last week) and as the club sign veterens with significant injury history, we don't have a scouting network/ head scout. - The levels of corporate goverence, the lack of transpareny, the misleading spin, the contradictory messages, the patronising and plastic efforts of 'engagement', the vanishing money etc.........all point to a slow boat, not to China but to Portsmouth or perhaps a train to Leeds or Coventry. When you spend a Blue Pound, it will be divided between sp.iv and club. When you consider back in the day, that a season in the CL group stages had us break-even or show a small profit, then you'll appreciate the level the club will have to operate at when there is No CL money and what money there is has to be essentially divvied up between sp.iv and club. This means our forseeable Top Tier glass ceiling is going to be second place and that we'll on average probably get to the final qualifying round of the Europa League (in August) before being papped out. Of course along the way, we'll lose ownership of the main assets, including Ibrox. Not everyone will agree with all of that. However, the finances of the club are problematic and, as long as we see no answers to that, along with dubious people being rewarded, mistrust will remain prevalent. It's a vicious circle and there seems to be minimal effort from all involved to address it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I haven't given this board a penny for 6 months and won't do so going forward. It's a shame that have refused my 500 quid via rangers1972. I will remember to point that out when they are filling there pockets from loan interest. A wee bit of realism here....The club have not refused your £500. You chose not to give the club your cash but instead put it into a scheme that was never going to work - the clubs stance on this has not changed, they said from day 1 they were not going to give security over Ibrox to DK's company. Did you at any time offer the club your £500??? if the answer is no, how can they of refused your cash??? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster. 5,257 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Not everyone will agree with all of that. However, the finances of the club are problematic and, as long as we see no answers to that, along with dubious people being rewarded, mistrust will remain prevalent. It's a vicious circle and there seems to be minimal effort from all involved to address it. People are free to disagree, I'd welcome their input. As you alude to, solutions are difficult to envisage at this stage. What the sp.ivs want is for the support to become 'battle-fatigued', expect to write off X amount of ST's and continue a diluted show on the road alongside plentiful downward expectation management, moonbeams and gradual decline as further value is extracted. Alternatively someone may buy them out but precedent suggests that the various parties have very different numbers in mind when it comes to negotiations. Bottomline is that sp.ivs are in control and sp.ivs get involved so that sp.ivs can make money. Sp.ivs are good at what they do and have us stiched up like a kipper, laying 'mines' that make defending their position easier. On the other hand, the efforts against the sp.ivs have generally been found wanting (with some honourable exceptions). I think it fair to say that they saw us a particularly juicy and relatively easy catch. The reasons behind the relative ease is a story in itself. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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