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[Frankie 8,652]

I think McCoist has been quite clever throughout this debacle in not only securing his job but his family's financial future.

 

Does that make him any less of a bear than the rest of us with the same obligations? I won't try and answer that as, thankfully, my loyalty towards my football club doesn't affect my family's well being and security.

 

Should Ally have considered this though? Absolutely and while I wouldn't call him greedy or insult the guy, I think he's been badly advised when it comes to some aspects of his monetary gains through this. In saying that, as much as I can't begin to think what life must be like on £7-15K per week, I'm also not sure I'd like all the stuff that comes along with it - especially in the last 2-3 years.

[Bigcid 0]

I would rather those million shares be in McCoists hands than Charles Greens or Imran Ahmeds.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Bigcid

[buster. 5,257]

I think McCoist has been quite clever throughout this debacle in not only securing his job but his family's financial future.

 

Does that make him any less of a bear than the rest of us with the same obligations? I won't try and answer that as, thankfully, my loyalty towards my football club doesn't affect my family's well being and security.

 

Should Ally have considered this though? Absolutely and while I wouldn't call him greedy or insult the guy, I think he's been badly advised when it comes to some aspects of his monetary gains through this. In saying that, as much as I can't begin to think what life must be like on £7-15K per week, I'm also not sure I'd like all the stuff that comes along with it - especially in the last 2-3 years.

 

As a seasoned observer of the misleading spin and worse that has come from the boardroom alongside the money that has been syphoned off, one way and another and another. It would be an unbalanced view if I didn't say that the gravytrain is multi-layered and that Ally McCoist has spun and misled, allbeit in a different way but with at least in part, the same end goal.

 

When people use "the securing the family future" defence I think you have to balance it up against what can be perceived as reasonable whilst considering if his actions have any relation to what he says.

[Frankie 8,652]

As a seasoned observer of the misleading spin and worse that has come from the boardroom alongside the money that has been syphoned off, one way and another and another. It would be an unbalanced view if I didn't say that the gravytrain is multi-layered and that Ally McCoist has spun and misled, allbeit in a different way but with the same end goal.

 

When people use "the securing the family future" defence I think you have to balance it up against what can be perceived as reasonable whilst considering if his actions have any relation to what he says.

 

Well, in that case, I think Ally looking securing his job via ongoing spin and media politics is understandable enough but accepting cheap shares (with or without the genuine belief in those who offered them) is rather damaging to his reputation. Especially when we consider the enormous wage he tuped over on - subsequent cut or not.

 

All in all, it's very difficult to defend the manager's financial package since administration. However, again, it's also very difficult to strongly (and accurately) question his actions not being in the same position ourselves. This period must have been bordering on the impossible for McCoist so I'm sure he's made many interpretative mistakes just like the rest of us. For that we can criticise his advisers as much as Ally himself.

 

Isn't his adviser/agent part of the RFFF committee as well?

[der Berliner 3,803]

• Surrendered a colossal 15 point lead to Celtic in the SPL (they had 2 games in hand granted), overturned in just 7 weeks (5th Nov - 24th Dec 2011). By 8th Feb 2012 Celtic were 10 points ahead - a total swing of 25 points in just 12 weeks or so.

 

• Knocked out of the League Cup, beaten 3-2 by 1st Division outfit, Falkirk.

 

• Knocked out of the Scottish Cup, beaten 2-0 by Dundee Utd.

 

• Knocked out of the Champions League by Swedish minnows, Malmo.

 

• Knocked out of the Europa League by Slovenian minnows, Maribor.

 

• Gubbed 1-0 by Kilmarnock in our first game after going into Administration. Over the following 3 weeks we were also beaten 2-1 by Hearts and 2-1 by Dundee Utd.

 

• Just managed to narrowly scrape a 2-1 win against part-time minnows, Brechin City in the Ramsdens Pawnbrokers Cup at Glebe Park - needing a last gasp, extra time goal to do so.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 2-2 draw with part-time minnows, Peterhead at Balmoor - needing a last gasp, last minute goal to do so.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with part-time minnows, Berwick Rangers at Shielfield Park.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-0 win against part-time minnows, Forres Mechanics at Mosset Park - after Forres were reduced to ten men.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 0-0 draw with part-time minnows, Annan Athletic at Galabank. Despite being 5 games into the season, and playing in the basement rungs of Scottish football with SPL players we were still without an away win, sitting fourth in the table.

 

• Horsed out of the Ramsdens Pawnbrokers Cup by Queen Of The South 4-3 on penalties after failing to beat them over 120 minutes of turgid clogging.

 

• Beaten 1-0 by a Stirling Albion side, nestled snugly at the base of Scottish football's fourth tier, and who had just lost their previous five games on the trot.

 

• Finally managed an away win in the fourth tier by scraping a narrow win against 10-man Clyde at Broadwood.

 

• Horsed out of the League Cup by Inverness Caley Thistle who trounced us 3-0 at Ibrox. The scoreline was kept to 3-0 only by an outstanding performance from Neil Alexander, without whom it could easily have been 5 or 6.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-0 win against 10-man Queens Park at Hampden - needing a last gasp, 92nd minute, injury time goal to do so.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with part-time minnows Elgin City at Ibrox - after Elgin had been reduced to 10 men.

 

• Just managed to scrape a narrow 1-0 win over 10-man Peterhead at Balmoor, with a Fran Sandaza tap-in (his first goal in five months) after keeper Graeme Smith had spilled the ball.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with Montrose at Ibrox - needing an own goal from Montrose's Jonathan Crawford to do so.

 

• Knocked out of the Scottish Cup, after being absolutely destroyed 3-0 by Dundee Utd - the same team that knocked us out of the cup the previous year.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with part-time minnows, Stirling Albion at Forthbank - when Stirling were sitting joint bottom of the fourth tier. We managed just 1 point out of a potential 6 at Forthbank that season.

 

• Gubbed 2-1 at Ibrox by an Annan Athletic, a side sitting 34 points behind us, and nestled in second-bottom place at the base of Scottish football's fourth tier. It was only Annan's second away win of the season, having only won 7 league games out of 28 played thus far.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-0 win against part-time minnows, Elgin City at Borough Briggs, needing a 73rd minute penalty to do so.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 0-0 draw with part-time minnows, Stirling Albion at Ibrox.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 0-0 draw with part-time minnows, Montrose at Links Park - after Montrose had a perfectly legitimate winning volley from Martin Boyle disallowed.

 

• Gubbed 2-1 at Ibrox by Peterhead, the day after Charles Green stepped down.

 

• Horsed out of the League Cup in the first round by Forfar Athletic, 2-1 in extra time, after failing to beat them over 90 minutes.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with Stranraer at Ibrox, needing a penalty in which to do so.

 

• Just managed to scrape a narrow 3-2 win over Arbroath at Ibrox, needing another dubious penalty award and a highly fortuitous deflection to do so. This was after falling behind twice to the second-bottom placed team, who were FORTY FOUR points behind us prior to kick off.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 3-3 draw with Stenhousemuir at Ibrox, needing an own-goal by Ross McMillan to do so. That was after falling behind TWICE.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-0 win over East Fife at Bayview with a 95th minute goal, courtesy of a penalty.

 

• Just managed to scrape a 1-1 draw with Albion Rovers in the Scottish Cup at Ibrox.

 

• Losing the Ramsdens Pawnbrokers Cup Final in extra time to Raith Rovers.

 

This is great stuff. Or rather obsessed stuff. But suum cuique. Could you do the same for Arsene Wenger's reign at Arsenal?

[buster. 5,257]

Well, in that case, I think Ally looking securing his job via ongoing spin and media politics is understandable enough but accepting cheap shares (with or without the genuine belief in those who offered them) is rather damaging to his reputation. Especially when we consider the enormous wage he tuped over on - subsequent cut or not.

 

All in all, it's very difficult to defend the manager's financial package since administration. However, again, it's also very difficult to strongly (and accurately) question his actions not being in the same position ourselves. This period must have been bordering on the impossible for McCoist so I'm sure he's made many interpretative mistakes just like the rest of us. For that we can criticise his advisers as much as Ally himself.

 

Isn't his adviser/agent part of the RFFF committee as well?

 

Given he decided to continue throughout the ongoing soap-opera, I agree that he has been in a very difficult position wrt the politic's.

In this particular area we have heard continually mixed messages to suit the particular moment in time. IMO some have been based on a lack of knowledge but others have been disengenuous for varying motives.

 

I agree what I think you alude to, that regardless of his salary, the 1 million shares at 1p each given timing and circumstances, smell like old fish.

IMO a gesture that would actually reflect the theme of what Ally often preaches upon would be to give or sell for 1p per share a large percentage of his 1 million shares to the support shareblock, eg. BuyRangers.

 

Re. agent : don't know !

[Frankie 8,652]

Given he decided to continue throughout the ongoing soap-opera, I agree that he has been in a very difficult position wrt the politic's.

In this particular area we have heard continually mixed messages to suit the particular moment in time. IMO some have been based on a lack of knowledge but others have been disengenuous for varying motives.

 

I agree what I think you alude to, that regardless of his salary, the 1 million shares at 1p each given timing and circumstances, smell like old fish.

IMO a gesture that would actually reflect the theme of what Ally often preaches upon would be to give or sell for 1p per share a large percentage of his 1 million shares to the support shareblock, eg. BuyRangers.

 

Re. agent : don't know !

 

FWIW, I think Ally will donate his holding at some point in the future. He (and his advisers) must know retaining them doesn't look great PR wise even if perhaps they feel keeping them for now makes more sense - arguably not just as a bargaining chip for Ally but for whatever the guy believes in himself re the club.

 

IIRC, Andrew McCormick is Ally's chief adviser/agent and is/was chairman of the RFFF.

[buster. 5,257]

FWIW, I think Ally will donate his holding at some point in the future. He (and his advisers) must know retaining them doesn't look great PR wise even if perhaps they feel keeping them for now makes more sense - arguably not just as a bargaining chip for Ally but for whatever the guy believes in himself re the club.

 

IIRC, Andrew McCormick is Ally's chief adviser/agent and is/was chairman of the RFFF.

 

Time will tell.

 

A time when AMcC may need good PR is if/when the club decide to terminate his 12 month rolling contract and he insists on wage deferrals being paid in full aswell as the 12 months salary that his contract entitles him to.

 

The RFFF was poorly thought out and is indictative of our capability to organise without any vision.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

To put money into the club. But really he should just have refused the shares.

 

He should have refused a golden opportunity to a) secure his family's future b) ensure that at least some of the shares went into the hands of a real Rangers man and c) show some faith in the club?

And what would have been gained by refusing these shares and allowing even more of them to go into Green's hands?

[buster. 5,257]

He should have refused a golden opportunity to a) secure his family's future b) ensure that at least some of the shares went into the hands of a real Rangers man and c) show some faith in the club?

And what would have been gained by refusing these shares and allowing even more of them to go into Green's hands?

 

1. Real (opposed to perceived) credibility.

I say 'perceived' because he gambles on 'blind loyalty' shown towards himself as an individual.

Those who are more objective will see something that doesn't sit right.

Note. Club is (should be) bigger than any individual.

 

2. To be able and stand up and say what he often does without feeling a degree of embarrassment.

Edited May 28, 2014 by buster.