Title of Jum Spence's Fanzine?

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In the meantime SA we have to live and deal in reality. You want structural changes that will take generations. We have to deal with how it actually is not how we wish it was. What Celtic do is of no consequence, focus on us let others worry about themselves.

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In the meantime SA we have to live and deal in reality. You want structural changes that will take generations. We have to deal with how it actually is not how we wish it was. What Celtic do is of no consequence, focus on us let others worry about themselves.

 

 

It shouldn't be how it is. If we're looking to change something why not look to change things so we are given equal footing? Rather than marching to someone else's tune? The way it is is not fair. Just rolling over and accepting that won't improve our lot.

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Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Spence was abused but I'd imagine we all get threatened more dangerously by our colleagues/bosses at our work each day than he did on the street. Not excusing this moronic behaviour but if Spence can insult us, then we can insult him.

 

Then he wins, Frankie. We need to be the better guys, here, not drop to his level, even if purely for tactical reasons.

 

The fact that we have one or two idiots amongst our support (proportionately no more than any other I bet) does not mean the likes of Spence get away with their misdemeanours. A regrettable event yes, but I should have no bearing on how Spence etc are dealt with.

 

Agreed, but it will. And he will come out on top afterwards, when we are slated for being dysfunctinal, anti-social, toxic & so on. It'll take about two days for any censure he may get to be consigned to history and the story will be us, again, and not positively.

 

It's amazing how well the deflection strategy continues to work.

 

This is all about Jim Spence and, the actions of a few idiots aside, it should remain about Jim Spence. His behaviour throughout this has been appalling.

 

I don't find it amazing at all. When a Rangers hater is actually on the spit, he and his pals are going to look for something to take the heat off. If we give them that something, they'll use it.

 

I'm dismayed that you guys disagree here because if you don't dig this, what chance of the thickos getting it? And that means we will lose, every time, always, forever. What a dismal thought!

 

It's always possible that the BBC decision on this may take no notice of the doubtless bulging dossier of abuse Spence will tremble behind, fearfully glancing at the door lest a horde of Blue clad savages burst in, intend on inflicting the ancient Mongol execution of 'the bloody eagle' upon him. They might slate him for ignoring his employers rules and decisions, kick his arse and issue some version of an official warning. They might disparage his 2 years and more of constant sniping and carping, his complete lack of objectivity when reporting on Rangers, or even his inability to express a sentence without horrendous pauses, stutters or roaring at his own hilarious jokes.

 

But the idea that a bunch of journos will side against a journo who pleads intimidation just seems unlikely. So, lets stop giving even the thinnest of excuses to plead that way, and get the bastard on the rack where he deserves!

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It shouldn't be how it is. If we're looking to change something why not look to change things so we are given equal footing? Rather than marching to someone else's tune? The way it is is not fair. Just rolling over and accepting that won't improve our lot.

 

If we want to change the minds of the 'neutrals' we need to work on their terms, not ours. If the general population see certain instances of behaviour as worse than others then that's just the way it is. We can carp about it, we can say it isn't fair but that doesn't get us much further forward.

Idealism is fine but realpolitik is more important, that's not rolling over.

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If we want to change the minds of the 'neutrals' we need to work on their terms, not ours. If the general population see certain instances of behaviour as worse than others then that's just the way it is. We can carp about it, we can say it isn't fair but that doesn't get us much further forward.

Idealism is fine but realpolitik is more important, that's not rolling over.

 

Who says their terms are right? Why not try and change their view point.

 

And is it "their" viewpoint. Or is it the media's viewpoint thrust upon them with an intensive propaganda war?