Gribz 966 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 The problem was people wanted over night results. Ok PLG's season wasn't great and we fell behind in the title race but there was games were we was playing great stuff. And you only have to look how long it took Alex Ferguson to build Man Utd up between 1986 and 1990 until he won his first trophy. Since then they have had 2 decades of constant success and in the first 5 years the money wasn't always the key factor like it is today with Sky and sponsors. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Dynamo 128 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Indeed he had a terrible start to his time at Lyon as well and only won 3 of his first 10 games or something but he turned it around. I often wonder where we would be now if we had got rid of Ferguson and the likes.................. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgacus 8 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Indeed he had a terrible start to his time at Lyon as well and only won 3 of his first 10 games or something but he turned it around. I often wonder where we would be now if we had got rid of Ferguson and the likes.................. It's one of the great "what ifs" of our recent past. Another one is what if Michael Mols hadn't got that dreadful injury. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Dynamo 128 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 It's one of the great "what ifs" of our recent past. Another one is what if Michael Mols hadn't got that dreadful injury. Agreed he was never the same player when he came back 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Sometimes the culture of the Club has to change to accommodate new personnel - this is what allows organisations to evolve & develop Yes but it has to be done at a certain pace and managed for minimal demotivation of staff. That's what I meant by change management. How would your work react if you were all given double shifts and extended hours without extra pay and with immediate effect and no consultation? Or if you normally come in around 9 you suddenly have to come in a 7:30 sharp? Fans seem to use other work metaphors when it suits them and then forget about it when it doesn't suit their agenda - another example is expecting a team of players to play at their best every week and win everything. No-one in normal work does that. If we're going to use organisational and other metaphors we have do it properly and not cherry pick the aspects. I think that most players are overpaid prima donnas with no loyalty except to their bank balance, but don't agree that treating them as if you own them is going to work. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 As far as Rangers go Barry Ferguson was a far bigger personality than the dire Frenchman....Barry wouldn't have dared or even thought of trying it on with Sir Alex. Isn't the first thing you do as a manager is to remove disruptive influences? Insubordination is punishable in most work places and it's easier in football as you can make some money on getting rid of someone... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I don't think he necessarily saw us a stepping stone I think it was seen as a coup us getting Le Guen he apparently knocked back a number of big clubs before coming to us. I don't remember many managers being reluctant to admit whether they'll stay very long. It was a bit strange, he never seemed fully committed and never felt he was here for the long term. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 It's one of the great "what ifs" of our recent past. Another one is what if Michael Mols hadn't got that dreadful injury. Or what if Negri never played squash? I think 10 in a row would have been in the bag. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 966 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 How would your work react if you were all given double shifts and extended hours without extra pay and with immediate effect and no consultation? Or if you normally come in around 9 you suddenly have to come in a 7:30 sharp? I wouldn't use this as an example. Professional footballers are supposed to be full time, but training 9-12 then given free lunch then playing a playstation or shopping in the afternoon doesn't constitute FT. If they were already training (and by training I don't mean full on exercise / tactics etc, I just mean 'at work') then doubling their duration at Murray park from 8am to 8pm would be harsh. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amms 0 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I was a supporter of Le Guen and bitterly disappointed when it fell apart. However his post Rangers career has been less than stellar and with hindsight the decision to leave when he did was the right one. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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