Jobs For The Boys?

[amms 0]

'Jobs for the boys' is a criticism I've seen levelled at McCoist over the last couple of seasons by various fans. I read it again just now on the 'Henry' fitness coach thread.

 

I was driving home late last night listening to FiveLive, they had an interview with Terry Phelan who was the Assistant Manager of Man Utd until a few weeks ago. Now it would be hard to argue that anyone in the world is better qualified to be the assistant manager of Manchester United than Phelan, however David Moyes doesn't think so and is bringing in his own choice as assistant. Is this also a case of jobs for the boys?

Moyes has also brought in a new first team coach and goalkeeping coach (ex-Ger Chris Woods) dispensing with the services of the existing pair who were doing those jobs fairly well I'd have thought, again is this jobs for the boys?

 

Owen Coyle was on the same show, he was asked about Phelan leaving Man Utd and he explained that since leaving St Johnstone he has always brought in his own backroom staff to every new club he's joined and dispensed with the incumbents. He needs people around him he can trust from day one was his reasoning.

 

This is clearly what happens in football it isn't just McCoist who surrounds himself with people he knows.

 

I can't decide if it is a good or bad thing though. I guess the manager needs to have people he can trust carrying out the tasks he sets. He needs to be able to work with them in a fairly high-pressured environment, the nature of football and the culture of the dressing room does make it fairly unique, many of the normal business rules simply don't apply in that context.

Seeing as it is a widespread and normal practice in football to do this why does McCoist get criticised for it? Also is it a good practice?

[Frankie 8,651]

It's quite simple for me. Every staff member should be put through a robust interview procedure and the correct applicant selected by an appropriate committee.

 

Of course personal relationships and other experience are relevant but these should be part of the selection procedure; not the sole reason.

[the gunslinger 3,366]

if you don't bring in your own you end up like tony mowbery with a cunt like lennon convincing the players to get rid of you.

[Dragonfly Trumpeter 50]

'Jobs for the boys' is a criticism I've seen levelled at McCoist over the last couple of seasons by various fans. I read it again just now on the 'Henry' fitness coach thread.

 

I was driving home late last night listening to FiveLive, they had an interview with Terry Phelan who was the Assistant Manager of Man Utd until a few weeks ago. Now it would be hard to argue that anyone in the world is better qualified to be the assistant manager of Manchester United than Phelan, however David Moyes doesn't think so and is bringing in his own choice as assistant. Is this also a case of jobs for the boys?

Moyes has also brought in a new first team coach and goalkeeping coach (ex-Ger Chris Woods) dispensing with the services of the existing pair who were doing those jobs fairly well I'd have thought, again is this jobs for the boys?

 

Owen Coyle was on the same show, he was asked about Phelan leaving Man Utd and he explained that since leaving St Johnstone he has always brought in his own backroom staff to every new club he's joined and dispensed with the incumbents. He needs people around him he can trust from day one was his reasoning.

 

This is clearly what happens in football it isn't just McCoist who surrounds himself with people he knows.

 

I can't decide if it is a good or bad thing though. I guess the manager needs to have people he can trust carrying out the tasks he sets. He needs to be able to work with them in a fairly high-pressured environment, the nature of football and the culture of the dressing room does make it fairly unique, many of the normal business rules simply don't apply in that context.

Seeing as it is a widespread and normal practice in football to do this why does McCoist get criticised for it? Also is it a good practice?

 

It is not McCoist's fault, he is simply following the idiocy of what happened with him. The appointment of McCoist himself was a complete disaster, jobs for the boys of the highest order. An inept manager with no experience who is performing true to pedigree sadly. So it is no surprise that he has a massive and highly paid team around him to share the blame for the abject failures in the lower leagues. Takes the heat off him.

 

I mean, when you lose to an outfit with a management team consisting of one man and his budgie, you have to blame someone. So McCoist tried to outdo his own jobs for the boys scenario in order to spread the blame.

 

Good job for the budgie that they won though. The man was away on holiday that week, budgie pressure was high. But, going solo, the budgie delivered. Must have been the resources and facilities to hand.

[amms 0]

It's quite simple for me. Every staff member should be put through a robust interview procedure and the correct applicant selected by an appropriate committee.

 

Of course personal relationships and other experience are relevant but these should be part of the selection procedure; not the sole reason.

 

What you've described is what happens out in the 'real world' but football is a parallel universe where real world problems and solutions rarely apply it seems. I suppose if McCoist is being judged on results and is given a budget to achieve them then how he spends it becomes his sole responsibility.

I guess Director of Football with a first team coach is closer to the model you describe.

[Frankie 8,651]

What you've described is what happens out in the 'real world' but football is a parallel universe where real world problems and solutions rarely apply it seems. I suppose if McCoist is being judged on results and is given a budget to achieve them then how he spends it becomes his sole responsibility.

I guess Director of Football with a first team coach is closer to the model you describe.

 

Absolutely get the parallel universe part which is exactly why RFC should have been looking to start afresh and try something new with respect to staff and wages.

 

The good news is that apparently such reviews are ongoing so hopefully we'll start to see the right people in the right job earning the right money.

[chilledbear 16]

It's fine to take your own Staff when you move jobs, they are usually tried and trusted.

 

Can we say the same about Gordon Durie ?

[calscot 0]

As we don't usually get real insider footage of what happens at a football club, the most prevalent insight we get into this kind of thing is films. And while they are fictionalised and have excessive artistic licence leading to gross exaggeration, they tend to be based somewhat in fact. When they portray a new manager taking over some sporting team by himself, they do give a vivid impression of the isolation, the frustration and the banging the head against a wall difficulties they experience when trying to impose doing things their way with their philosophy.

 

You get a great sense from that about how much easier it would be if you brought your own team of coaches, trainers and other specialists and can see why it's done. Trust is a major issue even when it's just trust that what you say will be done your way.

 

When others are brought on board I can see the attraction of knowing them, and being easily able to communicate your philosophy to them and having a high probability they won't stab you in the back.

 

At least with the likes of Durie, he must have all the qualifications and some significant experience, as well as a reasonably illustrious playing career at the highest levels. He's no old school mate who needs a job but has none of the qualities required.

[simplythebest 0]

if you don't bring in your own you end up like tony mowbery with a cunt like lennon convincing the players to get rid of you.

 

Mowbray did have his own staff, Mark Venus and Peter Grant. Lennon was reserve coach under him.

[simplythebest 0]

My jobs for the boys moan is more about nearly everyone having to be an ex-Rangers player apparently.