If Charles Green Can Call a Spade a Spade So Can We

[forlanssister 3,114]

For those attempting to rewrite history and claiming there was no attempt to collect monies without a legal mandate to do so.

 

 

Rangers in crisis: Furious fans claim newco have hijacked their cancelled season ticket direct debits

 

29 Jun 2012 00:00

RANGERS season ticket holders who pay by direct debit claim attempts are being made to stop them cancelling.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-in-crisis-furious-fans-claim-1131705

 

Scotland's biggest banks have washed their hands of Rangers newco, forcing it to abandon its controversial bid to collect direct debit season ticket payments from fans and to sign up with a small bank with no branches in Scotland

 

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/revealed-how-rangers-newco-was-shunned-by-major-banks.18023181

 

Rangers in crisis: Lloyds Bank raises concerns over plans for former club to collect season ticket money

Charles Green faces a new and serious obstacle to selling season tickets â?? and income stream worth between £7-8 million â?? to Rangers fans after fears were expressed by the Lloyds Bank Group.

 

 

Rangers will not take any direct debit payments for the upcoming season, the club has announced.

 

The move comes after some supporters claimed they had been unable to cancel banking arrangements made prior to the liquidation of the old club and foundation of Charles Green's newco.

 

Rangers financial director Brian Stockbridge said that payments would have been taken from accounts on July 6, but that the decision had been made to cancel direct debits "for the sake of clarity and to give reassurance to fans".

 

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/108701-rangers-cancel-direct-debit-ticket-payments-to-give-reassurance-to-fans/

 

http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/archive/index.php/t-44390.html

[forlanssister 3,114]

I see Charles has responded to an article on the SRTC website.

 

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/220580-show-racism-the-red-card-criticise-charles-green-for-racist-language/

 

He has/had a major interview scheduled today with STV to respond to the newspaper articles last week.

[54andcounting 0]

I suggest you track down the video or a copy of the press conference transcript and watch it or read it.

 

Yeah, could someone put a copy of that particular interview up on here? I was on a high back then and just happy that someone had come and took us over after weeks of uncertainty especially after the Bill Miller late withdrawal.

 

I'd be prepared to give it another listen with probably a more open mind rather than the hero worship mentality I was guilty of at that time.

[the gunslinger 3,366]

I doubt he's actually racist. a moron but not racist.

[54andcounting 0]

For those attempting to rewrite history and claiming there was no attempt to collect monies without a legal mandate to do so.

 

That first link (Daily Record) is full of printing errors, here's one section of it...

 

â??The name Rangers FC had disappeared. But then I saw another one saying Fastpay. Iâ??ve never hear of them.

â??I phoned my Santander branch and they gave me the number of this company who appear to be in England.

â??They were looking to take £93 a month for four months out of my account, which looked suspiciously like the same amount I paid for the season ticket I cancelled.

â??When I called them and challenged them, they said they were acting on behalf of Glasgow Rangers.

â??I told them thereâ??s no way that is going to happen. They have agreed to cancel but Iâ??ll be keeping a close watch on what happens.

â??I would urge other Rangers fans to do the same.â?

Official supportersâ?? organisations such as the Rangers Trust, the Rangers Assembly and the Rangers Supportersâ?? Association have advised fans not to renew season tickets until Green becomes â??moretransparentâ?.

Thousands of fans vented their anger at a demonstration outside Ibrox on Wednesday night.

Former player John Brown added his weight to the call for 40,000 season ticket holders not to renew under Greenâ??s consortium.

One fan said last night said: â??Because of all the uncertainty, the newco had agreed to postpone the original renewal date from June 29 to July 6.

â??But myself and others have foundout that this new Fastpay mob appear to have moved in and set up directdebits which they should not have the power to do.

â??I spoke to my Royal Bank of Scotland branch and they have said that these mandates have been presented to them as renewals.

â??But in fact, whereas the old season ticket cash was going to Rangers FC, the new season ticket money is going to Sevco.

â??That clearly means a different company and therefore there should be no talkof a simple renewal. It should need a completely new mandate to be set up and signed by the season ticket applicant and his or her bank.â?

 

How did that ever get past the editor?

[der Berliner 3,744]

How did that ever get past the editor?

 

Out of interest (since gunslinger happily termed our CEO a moron), I actually checked the word ...

 

moron

1910, medical Latin, from Greek (Attic) moron, neuter of moros "foolish, dull, sluggish, stupid," probably cognate with Sanskrit murah "idiotic." Latin morus "foolish" is a loan-word from Greek. Adopted by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-minded with a technical definition "adult with a mental age between 8 and 12;" used as an insult since 1922 and subsequently dropped from technical use. Linnæus had introduced morisis "idiocy."

 

The feeble-minded may be divided into:

(1) Those who are totally arrested before the age of three so that they show the attainment of a two-year-old child or less; these are the idiots.

(2) Those so retarded that they become permanently arrested between the ages of three and seven; these are imbeciles.

(3) Those so retarded that they become arrested between the ages of seven and twelve; these were formerly called feeble-minded, the same term that is applied to the whole group. We are now proposing to call them morons, this word being the Greek for "fool." The English word "fool" as formerly used describes exactly this grade of child--one who is deficient in judgment or sense. [Henry H. Goddard, in Journal of Proceedings and Addresses" of the National Education Association of the United States, July 1910]

 

Etymonline

 

Going by that, I would assume that the writer and/or the editor belong to either group (1) or (2), since I assume that they are not as bright as Green, whom gunslinger placed in (3).

[54andcounting 0]

 

Going by that, I would assume that the writer and/or the editor belong to either group (1) or (2), since I assume that they are not as bright as Green, whom gunslinger placed in (3).

 

My take on it is the article attributed to the Record has been invented by people in group 1 or 2

[bluebear54 0]

Getting some pretty severe abuse from some fans for writing this.

 

Apologies for jumping on this late.

I take my hat off to you Zappa, and you have said a few things that have needed to be said.

Green has been leaving a sour taste in my mouth to as of late.

[The Real PapaBear 0]

I doubt he's actually racist. a moron but not racist.

 

Nah, he's a racist. A racist, a liar and an embarrassment and he has no place in the job he holds.

[Zappa 0]

Apologies for jumping on this late.

I take my hat off to you Zappa, and you have said a few things that have needed to be said.

Green has been leaving a sour taste in my mouth to as of late.

 

Cheers mate. It's been pretty interesting actually because despite a little bit of abuse last night, the response has been well over 90% positive with a fair number of people contacting me either to say that they fully agree or to say that they're thinking along similar lines and agree with some of the points.

 

What I'd really love to know is how the majority of fans who stay silent (both on and offline) and keep their mouths shut genuinely feel about Green & the whole situation. Do Green & co actually have the majority of fans' trust or not? How many fans are there out there who don't want Green in charge at Ibrox and don't trust Green & co, but don't want to rock the boat by speaking up? I think it's a bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.