der Berliner 3,885 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 (edited) DB - honestly mate, although I agree with some of the points you make it was more than that. As I stated earlier in the thread - I was right behind Ally etc and the lack of guidance, instruction, reprimanding, basic leading, was staggering. Basically the most vociferous Ally got all night was shouting at Durrant for something (I think Durrant was sitting sniping at the time). "Keep working lads" was as good as it got. We are playing in Div 3 with a formation 'not to lose' which is staggering. Rangers playing two holding midfieders (ineffective otherwise most of the time as well, especially Black). The chasm between our back 6 and the front men was embarassing. The midfield was overrun with red shirts, but when they won the ball they piled forward as a unit with us all over the place at the back. Every successful side in the modern game moves around the park as a unit and hunts in packs. There is never a no mans land between back and front. I don't shoot the management team down for the sake of it, but the tactics are very poor and there is an obvious unhappiness in a number of the players (and staff). We all know the deficits of our side, but it has become a sport to pick on them time and again DESPITE knowing that no matter what the manager does, the players on the park will not always deliver throughout the season. I'm not excusing Tuesday horror show, but it simply ain't true that we played that badly throughout the season - the impression you can get after every point dropped. The standard of performances for a Rangers team is in general well below average, but when will people accept that they will not get much more from either, management and players ... in a fourth tier league virtually won and perhaps meaningless? As for tactics, we use the 4-2-3-1 during most away games this years, why would he change that with the lack of players he has? He changed the smaller McKay for Naismith, who done okay at Berwick. What is lacking is a midfield leader and while we didn't have him on Tuesday, we also had Hutton posting completely missing, leaving Black to run all over the park and all cohesion in midfield was gone. The aggresive style of Stirling was hitting the confidence out of Templeton and Shiels, who vanised more or less, not least in the second half. How could McCoist change that? Bring on a half-fit Sandaza? We should start to know our limits here too. The point is that with quite a few on here Ally has no chance anyway. Nor have some of the players. As for gunslinger's rather rhethorical request ... the main question would be: what can he change? Train better? How would you know what they are doing at MP? Install discipline? How would you know that he isn't doing that in training? People will always find excuses to hammer him with rather pointless arguments or hindsight wisdom. That is the normal fare for all managers, Yet, in this season, some folk have rapidly forgotten the situation we are in and want to judge him like they did with Advocaat, McLeish and Smith. But I beating a dead horse here anyway, it is February and some people haven't noted what sort of squad we have and where we are. Edited February 28, 2013 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuznetsov 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 i asked this months back. what are allys good points as a manager? what does he bring to the table? i've yet to get an answer. oh no, you got your answer. absolutely nothing. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 i asked this months back. what are allys good points as a manager? what does he bring to the table? i've yet to get an answer. He's only been a manager for a season and a half though. Ask the same question about any rookie manager who's just starting out and the answer will be the same: Give the guy some time and let's talk about his managerial attributes later, once he's actually gained a reasonable amount of experience and we have a sizable body of evidence to work with. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 The evidence so far is that he aint a miracle worker. Still, pretty fucking annoying at times isn't it? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 He's only been a manager for a season and a half though. Ask the same question about any rookie manager who's just starting out and the answer will be the same: Give the guy some time and let's talk about his managerial attributes later, once he's actually gained a reasonable amount of experience and we have a sizable body of evidence to work with. How long is long enough???? So far McCoist hasn't really shown any signs of being a good manager. (can't believe I'm going to say this...) When you compare McCoist to Lemmon, there is a clear difference. Lemmon started of a bit iffy, but he has since matured and has got his side generally playing well with only the odd exception. So far McCoist has shown no improvement in his style of play. The team are still an organisational shambles, as are the general tactics. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 How long is long enough???? Everyone has different opinions on that, but for me personally, I said at the start of the season that I think Ally should get given the chance to take us back up to the top no matter what happens in the cups or with fans moaning about tactics, some draws and the odd defeat. For me it's as simple as this: I'll support Ally as our manager unless he fails to win one of the divisions on the way back up. I'll probably also consider not getting an automatic promotion by finishing first as a failure because there's too much risk involved in play-offs and I think it would be unacceptable to be in that position. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 966 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Everyone has different opinions on that, but for me personally, I said at the start of the season that I think Ally should get given the chance to take us back up to the top no matter what happens in the cups or with fans moaning about tactics, some draws and the odd defeat. For me it's as simple as this: I'll support Ally as our manager unless he fails to win one of the divisions on the way back up. I'll probably also consider not getting an automatic promotion by finishing first as a failure because there's too much risk involved in play-offs and I think it would be unacceptable to be in that position. I said the same that he deserved the chance but at the same time improvement was a must. And I dont think anyone can deny there has been no improvement. I refuse to believe Ally would be so naive that he wouldnt see this as a great opportunity for the club to build great foundations with a new start...it should be done this season and not when we get back to the SPL. To be fair we could still start this in Div 2 but I doubt we will. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,885 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 When you compare McCoist to Lemmon, there is a clear difference. Lemmon started of a bit iffy, but he has since matured and has got his side generally playing well with only the odd exception. ... He took over a team of 30 full first team professionals, added and sold what you realistically have to admit being good-quality people. That squad he has been able to use throughout his reign. Now look and compare that to what McCoist inherited from Walter, what he was left with in February, in June, and now. TLB interestingly won all his silver because of Rangers going into meltdown from February 2012 onwards, on and off the field. No matter what McCoist had done. Sure, people will come up with the horror exits in Europe, but hey, it is not like TLB marched through all qualifiers either. I think I am correct to say that we all celebrated years of winless away ties for the Scum? I have no idea how long a manager gets ere someone up there says "enough is enough". He has nothing that qould resemble a decent Rangers (sic!) squad since the start of the season and no-one knows whether a different manager would have changed tactics and plans. What Green sees is a team running away with the prime objective and being beaten by at the time two superior teams in the main cups. That is nothing which will worry a CEO, who knows full well the circumstances McCoist is working under. I for one assume that the watershed will be midway through the next season. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anchorman 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 As for tactics, we use the 4-2-3-1 during most away games this years, why would he change that with the lack of players he has? The worrying thing for me the other night (apart from my cojones freezing off) was the incredibly poor attempt at implementing something that could pass off as a 4-2-3-1. When your 'holding' 2 don't venture much further forward than the toes of your back 4 (either through laziness, bad coaching or unable to carry out instructions) you start to lose the central midfield and isolate your front men. Especially when your back line sit very deep rather than squeezing the game with a high line (fear of being exposed through lack of pace at the back, or just laziness?). If you then insist on your mid 3 consisting of 2 wide men hogging the touchline, and 1 playing in the 'hole' behind the striker, you can quickly see why your 4-2-3-1 formation (if done badly) leaves no central midfield at all. This is exactly what was happening time and again. At one time Black went to the edge of their box at a set piece. They had one man up front. We already had 3 players back marking that one man. Ally\KM shouted to Black to get back and he shouted back "what for - we've got 3 on 1 already?". A 4-2-3-1 formation should never leave you isolated in central midfield. It should give you 5 in the middle when defending, and numbers is abundance when going forward. We had neither, and honestly the guys at the side didn't seem able to rectify it for some bizarre reason. I want them to do well as a management team but they worried me seeing them at very close quarters. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthter 542 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 He has nothing that qould resemble a decent Rangers (sic!) squad since the start of the season Its not a case of having a "decent Rangers squad"....McCoist has what he has & has not done anything overly positive with it. Even a clapped out old Ford Fiesta can be turned into a decent runner with the right know how. I don't think anyone is looking for or expecting a side that is capable of challenging in Europe or winning the SPL at the moment, but they are expecting to see something better than what we're getting at present. they are expecting to see signs of a team in rebirth. A team trying to establish a style of play that will be enhanced as the team moves up the leagues & adds a better quality of player. It's simply not happening. The current team are lumbering from one match to another, happy to simply get a win. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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