Taking offence on the offensive - Bill McMurdo

[andy steel 0]

No one who fights back starts from a position of strength our they wouldn't need to fight back, being accused of Mhopery by my own support because we should be employing the same tactics that are used against us is wrong. The old stance of we dont behave like them we have the power is gone, in the last 20 years Rangers haters have put themselves in positions of power all through our society. This isn't a nice clean arguement we find ourselves in, its a dirty down in the gutter war and the Rangers haters ain't taking any prisoners.

 

I seem to be doing nothing but moaning about your posts this morning. But this is paranoiac. People who don't support Rangers - or ANY club - have every right to rise to 'positions of power'. Our society doesn't operate on football lines, or religious ones.

[GovanAllan 0]

I don't see the IRAoke slowing down the Celtic onslaught against us why is that do you think?

[GovanAllan 0]

I seem to be doing nothing but moaning about your posts this morning. But this is paranoiac. People who don't support Rangers - or ANY club - have every right to rise to 'positions of power'. Our society doesn't operate on football lines, or religious ones.

 

Agreed but they shouldn't use that position to help a clear agenda of trying to tarnish and then destroy our club.

[andy steel 0]

I don't see the IRAoke slowing down the Celtic onslaught against us why is that do you think?

 

I don't understand, sorry.

[andy steel 0]

Agreed but they shouldn't use that position to help a clear agenda of trying to tarnish and then destroy our club.

 

OK, where we would disagree on this is that there is a definite agenda against us and only us by what we might laughingly refer to as Scotland's intellectual elite. No question that there is one from the game and the sports media; but in the wider civic context, the point has been reached where Scotland just isn't willing to put up with the perceived behaviour of football fans en masse, not just blue ones. I feel it's a combination of fear at mass groupings on behalf of police forces, who hate that sort of thing, and an undoubted political element.

 

The SNP are, you will know, a Nationalist party. That means they are hypersensitive to slights upon the nation and its image. What they want from football fans is the faux-jolly image of the Tartan Army, rather than the potentially aggressive club groupings. When our two fellow Bears decided to bring shame upon the Club by sending those parcels, we didn't just cross the line we went and shat all over it. Any sympathy we might have got from political circles went oot the windae when that happened...they did not appreciate the headlines.

 

Having read, for years, about Manchester, and thinking 'That's funny! I walked to my brother-in-law's flat that night after the game, must have been about four miles, and saw not a single piece of trouble. I wonder where the rioting was?' I'm aware how unfair actions taken are, compared to actual behaviour. But unless you're suggesting something of a Peoples' Republic, where the usual elites with the usual fears are done away with, that's what we're left with.

 

Long way of saying I don't think they are, I think they are just fed up with football for elitist and political reasons; and we haven't helped ourselves by our actions.

[GovanAllan 0]

OK, where we would disagree on this is that there is a definite agenda against us and only us by what we might laughingly refer to as Scotland's intellectual elite. No question that there is one from the game and the sports media; but in the wider civic context, the point has been reached where Scotland just isn't willing to put up with the perceived behaviour of football fans en masse, not just blue ones. I feel it's a combination of fear at mass groupings on behalf of police forces, who hate that sort of thing, and an undoubted political element.

 

The SNP are, you will know, a Nationalist party. That means they are hypersensitive to slights upon the nation and its image. What they want from football fans is the faux-jolly image of the Tartan Army, rather than the potentially aggressive club groupings. When our two fellow Bears decided to bring shame upon the Club by sending those parcels, we didn't just cross the line we went and shat all over it. Any sympathy we might have got from political circles went oot the windae when that happened...they did not appreciate the headlines.

 

Having read, for years, about Manchester, and thinking 'That's funny! I walked to my brother-in-law's flat that night after the game, must have been about four miles, and saw not a single piece of trouble. I wonder where the rioting was?' I'm aware how unfair actions taken are, compared to actual behaviour. But unless you're suggesting something of a Peoples' Republic, where the usual elites with the usual fears are done away with, that's what we're left with.

 

Long way of saying I don't think they are, I think they are just fed up with football for elitist and political reasons; and we haven't helped ourselves by our actions.

 

So why the one sided onslaught against just one set of supporters in the media and political circles, are you trying to say we are the only support to do anything wrong because I hope not.

[GovanAllan 0]

I don't understand, sorry.

 

Everybody seems to claim oh you need to stop singing those bad song before we will give you a far shake of the stick. Well we did and did it change anything did it Hell they justed moved on to something else to hammer us with. All the while using the IRA singing pedophile harbours as the glowing virtue we had to attain to.

[blueflag 385]

Everybody seems to claim oh you need to stop singing those bad song before we will give you a far shake of the stick. Well we did and did it change anything did it Hell they justed moved on to something else to hammer us with. All the while using the IRA singing pedophile harbours as the glowing virtue we had to attain to.

 

GA,, mr steel there votes SSP.. enough said...

[GovanAllan 0]

GA,, mr steel there votes SSP.. enough said...

 

I know BF, but there's hope for everybody.

[andy steel 0]

Mr Steel votes SNP, not that I imagine many are interested.

 

Everybody seems to claim oh you need to stop singing those bad song before we will give you a far shake of the stick. Well we did and did it change anything did it Hell they justed moved on to something else to hammer us with. All the while using the IRA singing pedophile harbours as the glowing virtue we had to attain to.

 

Right, with you now. My belief is that elites treat football fans on a sliding scale based on their numbers - 500 fans at a D3 game, nothing to worry about, 4,000 fans at an SPL game, increased police scrutiny and moaning if anything happens (like that guy who accused the ref of being racist, but then it turned out he was married to a Nigerian lady or somesuch); this things gets more attention in a 'tut tut, isn't football awful' context on middle class phone ins like call Kaye; and when you're looking at Old Firm size attendances, the reactionary nature really kicks in, with huge policing, restrictions on movement and behaviour, and now language. I can't say as I like it but I don't believe we have helped ourselves.

 

To quote Jim Morrison 'they got the guns but we got the numbers'...boxing clever is the only way past someone pointing a gun at your head. That or abject surrender, which despite the desperate wishes of those who want us to be some Blue Borg, all conforming to the same political/religious mindset, and see any dissent as craven grovelling, none of us are up for.

 

So I don't see us being treated any differently other than that we offer up open goals for the elites to kick us on a regular basis. Timmy is smarter on this front, no question.