Scott7 6,002 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Started off on the lead horse in the posse and now he's trying to get us out of jail. Fair play to the man. He's starting to talk sense. Expect a return to normal, though, once the new Rangers get going. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Started off on the lead horse in the posse and now he's trying to get us out of jail. Fair play to the man. He's starting to talk sense. Expect a return to normal, though, once the new Rangers get going. Like most of the rest of them they started the feeding frenzy with their hysterical reporting, then shit a brick when they saw where it was heading and started its not my fault Guv patter. Shower of two faced scum. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1872 4 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 By jim Traynor on Jul 5, 12 07:40 AM in spl NOW it's all so much clearer. The fate of the entire Scottish game lies with the SFL. The SPL have made their decision which means the clubs they left behind must now save us. At least and at last a degree of clarity. But hold on ... Oh My God. Does this mean everything depends now on the view of Turnbull Hutton? And John Yorkston? Whatever cash is left in the game we'll need for clean underwear. Turnbull, the bold John and their mates will shape the game's future. Stand aside, women and children first. By saying "no" to Rangers newco the SPL have thrown THEIR problem at the SFL hoping the smaller clubs will give Charles Green's venture a home. They will find space for Rangers but it might not be in their own top division. The SFL clubs, who still harbour a deep grudge because they were cut adrift by the top sides in 1998, are in no mood to be railroaded into helping. They'll demand concessions and rightly so. Their chief executive, David Longmuir, has already listed demands which will include an absolute commitment to streamline the administrations - three governing bodies is a nonsense - better governance, which would include a change to the voting structures, and a fairer distribution of whatever wealth remains in the game. The SPL, because they neglected to craft legislation to deal with insolvency traumas, now desperately need the help and understanding of the clubs they left behind. A number of those clubs have been waiting for this day and they'll make the most of their moment. It would be difficult to argue they aren't entitled to be rubbing their hands gleefully but this isn't about getting even. This is about the survival of the game. Leaders of the SPL and SFL have warned something like £16million could be lost to our football but a growing number among the SFL chairmen are sceptical about the figures. And neither do they believe that as many as 10 clubs from the game's four levels could go to the wall. But it is understood just more than £12m would be lost from altered TV deals and at least £4.5m could be drained from sponsorship contracts if Rangers go to the Third Division. TV accounts for a third of the average SPL club's income and that's why it's too simplistic when fans and some misinformed - and frankly ignorant - commentators say they should wean themselves off this dependence on telly cash. Now that we know the extent of the financial fallout, it isn't sense or pragmatism which is making hacks and chairmen stick to their sporting integrity and fair play themes. It's a mixture of settling old scores, blind hatred and downright malice. Of course Rangers should and would have been ordered to apply for admission via the bottom tier had the SPL regulars been more concerned with proper governance over the years rather than forming divisive cabals and little power bases. But because Scottish football is a complete mess other factors must now be taken into consideration. So surely a sensible compromise rather than a spiteful one must be found. But justice is justice they all wail. We can't put a price on fair play they scream. Get real and stop wearing out your knuckles on your keyboards. What real fan would want his club, innocents in all of this, to shut because of a desire to get at the real culprits? Rangers did this and they are suffering. But this need to put them down further will endanger other innocent clubs. When the greed of bankers dragged the world into this deep recession the right thing to do would have been to let them close and take the big salaries and bonuses. But we didn't because that would have amounted to financial suicide and made life even tougher for the rest of us. Common sense had to prevail but not here. Not in Scottish football where heads are used only to nod goals. But if we refuse to engage our brains we will score the most damaging own goal in the history of our game. And all because when the fans railed our chairmen failed. Instead of thinking ahead they thought only of the moment. Must sell season tickets, must listen to fans. Just the other day one SPL chairman said: "It's hopeless. If I don't vote 'no' fans won't buy season tickets and I'll be shut. "If I vote 'no' and Rangers are put down to the Third Division the money lost to the game will mean my club will have to be closed. It's madness." And it is crazy. So-called fans who dominate their message boards appear to be running the show and are now pressing SFL clubs into doing the right thing, which is actually the wrong thing for the game in general. But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers? There are still a few men at the heart of this who know a compromise has to be found and Longmuir is working away and calming members on the verge of panic. Longmuir and one or two others realise the folly of shunting Rangers all the way down and are trying to make people step back from the brink. Not because Rangers shouldn't be punished further but because the collateral damage would be unacceptable. The SFL will meet next week to decide the fate of the game. Entertaining though it is to listen to your rants Turnbull, just think. That's it, just think, and if enough of us do we just might not blow our brains out. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1872 4 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 By jim Traynor on Jul 5, 12 07:40 AM in spl NOW it's all so much clearer. The fate of the entire Scottish game lies with the SFL. The SPL have made their decision which means the clubs they left behind must now save us. At least and at last a degree of clarity. But hold on ... Oh My God. Does this mean everything depends now on the view of Turnbull Hutton? And John Yorkston? Whatever cash is left in the game we'll need for clean underwear. Turnbull, the bold John and their mates will shape the game's future. Stand aside, women and children first. By saying "no" to Rangers newco the SPL have thrown THEIR problem at the SFL hoping the smaller clubs will give Charles Green's venture a home. They will find space for Rangers but it might not be in their own top division. The SFL clubs, who still harbour a deep grudge because they were cut adrift by the top sides in 1998, are in no mood to be railroaded into helping. They'll demand concessions and rightly so. Their chief executive, David Longmuir, has already listed demands which will include an absolute commitment to streamline the administrations - three governing bodies is a nonsense - better governance, which would include a change to the voting structures, and a fairer distribution of whatever wealth remains in the game. The SPL, because they neglected to craft legislation to deal with insolvency traumas, now desperately need the help and understanding of the clubs they left behind. A number of those clubs have been waiting for this day and they'll make the most of their moment. It would be difficult to argue they aren't entitled to be rubbing their hands gleefully but this isn't about getting even. This is about the survival of the game. Leaders of the SPL and SFL have warned something like £16million could be lost to our football but a growing number among the SFL chairmen are sceptical about the figures. And neither do they believe that as many as 10 clubs from the game's four levels could go to the wall. But it is understood just more than £12m would be lost from altered TV deals and at least £4.5m could be drained from sponsorship contracts if Rangers go to the Third Division. TV accounts for a third of the average SPL club's income and that's why it's too simplistic when fans and some misinformed - and frankly ignorant - commentators say they should wean themselves off this dependence on telly cash. Now that we know the extent of the financial fallout, it isn't sense or pragmatism which is making hacks and chairmen stick to their sporting integrity and fair play themes. It's a mixture of settling old scores, blind hatred and downright malice. Of course Rangers should and would have been ordered to apply for admission via the bottom tier had the SPL regulars been more concerned with proper governance over the years rather than forming divisive cabals and little power bases. But because Scottish football is a complete mess other factors must now be taken into consideration. So surely a sensible compromise rather than a spiteful one must be found. But justice is justice they all wail. We can't put a price on fair play they scream. Get real and stop wearing out your knuckles on your keyboards. What real fan would want his club, innocents in all of this, to shut because of a desire to get at the real culprits? Rangers did this and they are suffering. But this need to put them down further will endanger other innocent clubs. When the greed of bankers dragged the world into this deep recession the right thing to do would have been to let them close and take the big salaries and bonuses. But we didn't because that would have amounted to financial suicide and made life even tougher for the rest of us. Common sense had to prevail but not here. Not in Scottish football where heads are used only to nod goals. But if we refuse to engage our brains we will score the most damaging own goal in the history of our game. And all because when the fans railed our chairmen failed. Instead of thinking ahead they thought only of the moment. Must sell season tickets, must listen to fans. Just the other day one SPL chairman said: "It's hopeless. If I don't vote 'no' fans won't buy season tickets and I'll be shut. "If I vote 'no' and Rangers are put down to the Third Division the money lost to the game will mean my club will have to be closed. It's madness." And it is crazy. So-called fans who dominate their message boards appear to be running the show and are now pressing SFL clubs into doing the right thing, which is actually the wrong thing for the game in general. But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers? There are still a few men at the heart of this who know a compromise has to be found and Longmuir is working away and calming members on the verge of panic. Longmuir and one or two others realise the folly of shunting Rangers all the way down and are trying to make people step back from the brink. Not because Rangers shouldn't be punished further but because the collateral damage would be unacceptable. The SFL will meet next week to decide the fate of the game. Entertaining though it is to listen to your rants Turnbull, just think. That's it, just think, and if enough of us do we just might not blow our brains out. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCF2008 0 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Like most of the rest of them they started the feeding frenzy with their hysterical reporting, then shit a brick when they saw where it was heading and started its not my fault Guv patter. Shit a brick when his bosses at the beeb and DR realised the implications in terms of their Old Firm coverage being effected more like. How can a sustained level of coverage for us as a Div3 club be justified? If the balance tips completely to the dark side they'll lose a huge number of consumers. They've been milking our prolonged period of destruction to the hilt in recent months and only now are beginning to come to terms with the consequences of their meddling. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
no12 0 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If it all means we hear a little less of Mr Traynor's arrogance then at least a little good has come of it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest govansw1 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 But is it really the will of the people or the ignorant views of semi-literate gangs of keyboard clatterers? Ah thought you lot on here were ok. Where does that leave me? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigy 0 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The thing that most in the frenzied media haven't yet grasped is without Rangers in the SPL we're not going to be listening to radio phone-ins and not going to be buying the daily sports papers. Audience figures and paper sales will crumble further, advertising revenue will freefall, and many of these so-called journos who have shouted from the rooftops to get us punished will now find themselves out of a job. Ain't karma a bitch!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Phone-ins, wonder who the Mhanks will obsess over now we are gone to the SFL. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bluenose80 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Phone-ins, wonder who the Mhanks will obsess over now we are gone to the SFL. Can't wait till Snyde has its first phone in of the season and its just dead air 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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