Danny 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Maybe Zagreb played lovely football... Your point is a bit erroneous none the less. Closest I'll ever see to you backing down Cal 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Calscot mate i love your love for Ally and Rangers mate but your just refuse to see what is in front of you. Your one of these guys that will support Ally no matter how bad it gets, i get that i support it as any manager lives or dies by there results other wise how can we work out if they are good or not? Bringing Ally's record as a player in to win the debate shows that you will never accept anything other than Ally is a great boss even ehen there is no eveidence to support it. Please tell me why other managers get the sack then mate? According to you results mean fuck all as long as you have been a good player. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Another way to look at it is this, if we get new owners and say they have a bit of money behind them, not alot but some. Would you prefer a new manager to bulid for the future that has a proven tract record in europe and off developing young players or Ally? For me it would be a new proven manager. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,867 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 (edited) Erm, in a group involving Barca, Lyon and VFB we managed 7 points! So no, I didn't forget the group. With a settled side and different players, yes. You've seen Real, Lyon, and Ajax this season, as well as our team in October and November. That was the point. @CumbernauldGers ... please read post #64. Furthermore, I can't see your point in having Ally removed. It's not like other Rangers managers of late have done much better in Europe and, as I pointed out above, it is not solely about the manager when it comes to succeed in Europe. But we had this anti-Ally debate long before we went into admin and unless I am mistaken, the attitudes have not and most likely will not change. Edited May 23, 2012 by der Berliner 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 With a settled side and different players, yes. You've seen Real, Lyon, and Ajax this season, as well as our team in October and November. That was the point. No it wasn't. The point was you justified Zagreb's failure in the CL based on their opponents. And yet, with a similarly strong group, a wee team like us managed 7 points - Zagreb managed none. So, losing to a team like Zagreb hardly adds credibility to Malmo at all. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 @CumbernauldGers ... please read post #64. Furthermore, I can't see your point in having Ally removed. It's not like other Rangers managers of late have done much better in Europe and, as I pointed out above, it is not solely about the manager when it comes to succeed in Europe. But we had this anti-Ally debate long before we went into admin and unless I am mistaken, the attitudes have not and most likely will not change. Whats your pont mate? Ally know the other team were fit an playing games and still made an arse of pre-season? Thats defo another great reason to keep him. Imo Ally was very very un-professional last summer and cost us a place in europe, he was ill prepared and the team was a shambles. Would you disagree? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 Calscot mate i love your love for Ally and Rangers mate but your just refuse to see what is in front of you. What a weird and ironic reply. I think you seem to refuse to see the posts in front of you or have big trouble understanding them. I have said many times, I base my opinions of managers based on results but with mitigation as to external circumstances. Under the circumstances Ally receives pass marks for last season from me. I have explained why in great detail. I used the same criteria to judge Eck and PLG and eventually found them below the required standard. I try to be objective, reasonable and fair. I don't think I could personally do a better job than those managers, but I think there are a few affordable and approachable managers out there that would do a better job than Eck's final season and PLG half season. Walter Smith pretty much proved it. I can't say the same for last season and no-one has been able to suggest anyone plausible. If Ally eventually shows he's not up to the job under the circumstances then I will happily see him replaced. For the moment he has kudos in the bank for his success as assistant manager and doing a fair job last season under the circumstances. I'll say for about the fourth time or fifth if you will listen, I don't judge a new manager for his first season in Europe - especially under the circumstances of last season. Where is YOUR consistency? Your fairness or even your reasoning? All we get from you is pub teams and yes, I refuse to see that as it's untrue. I don't expect you to understand this as you NEVER seem to get the point. Your one of these guys that will support Ally no matter how bad it gets, i get that i support it as any manager lives or dies by there results other wise how can we work out if they are good or not? Again, please re-read my posts. You seem to be struggling with understanding them. Where did I say I'd support Ally no matter what? I've said the opposite countless times. I base it on results plus circumstances. Over the piece, he passed. Have you ever played football? Do you judge yourself on a couple of below par performances in the first couple of games season no matter the circumstances? Even if you play reasonably well for most of the rest of the season? Bringing Ally's record as a player in to win the debate shows that you will never accept anything other than Ally is a great boss even ehen there is no eveidence to support it. How many times do I have to repeat myself before you understand anything? Sorry but you are obviously a complete troll who comes up with the same old crap every time without actually listening to any of the answers. Please read my messages again and try to understand them before repeating the same old nonsense. Please tell me why other managers get the sack then mate? They normally get the sack when their results are below the expectations of the board. Sometimes the board's expectations are realistic. It sounds like you would have sacked Alex Ferguson after his first season. Like many other managers, Ally did enough in exceptional circumstances for the board to give him more time. According to you results mean fuck all as long as you have been a good player. What ARE you on about? Ok just keep making it up. I don't know who you are actually arguing with, but it's certainly not anything I've actually said. I've tried to have reasonable debate with you but I can't get any sense form you. I feel you need to think about what exactly you want to get from this board... 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Author Share Posted May 23, 2012 No it wasn't. The point was you justified Zagreb's failure in the CL based on their opponents. And yet, with a similarly strong group, a wee team like us managed 7 points - Zagreb managed none. So, losing to a team like Zagreb hardly adds credibility to Malmo at all. I don't think anyone is arguing with you that our UEFA final team was better at getting results than the Zagreb team (although I bet you didn't like the way they did it). However, the first game after the final, we went out to Kaunas. Shows that the seven points is hardly something that can be used as a comparison. We also probably agree that our team, when match fit and on form, would probably have achieved more points in that group than Zagreb. However, our team was not at its best for many reasons, quite a few of which were out of Ally's control, some were just bad luck. In those circumstances, a team like Malmo are of a high enough level to have a great chance to get a result against us - as do Kaunas, as do St Johnstone. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbernauldGers 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Calscot mate just repeating the term pub teams over and over again aint working for you mate. A troll? Very nice. If you dont like what i post dont read it or reply, end off mate. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted May 23, 2012 Share Posted May 23, 2012 Erm, in a group involving Barca, Lyon and VFB we managed 7 points! So no, I didn't forget the group. That was a different Rangers team. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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