ian1964 10,626 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 By Alastair Dalton and Tom Peterkin CAMPAIGNERS against a proposed tough new law to stamp out football sectarianism vowed to step up their protest yesterday as they distributed thousands of leaflets at the Rangers versus Hibs game. Take a Liberty (Scotland) also plans to target Celtic Park and other football grounds, and demonstrate outside the Scottish Parliament when the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications bill is debated. Their campaign intensified amid growing signs that opposition politicians at Holyrood believe the SNP's proposals are becoming increasingly confused and could criminalise ordinary fans. Take a Liberty has the backing of former Celtic director and ex-Lord Provost of Glasgow, Michael Kelly, who said the bill is a "runaway train". The bill would see those convicted face up to five years in jail for bigoted behaviour, such as singing or chanting that could incite trouble, at matches or online. First Minister Alex Salmond told MSPs last week that football in Scotland would be finished if sectarianism was not tackled and appealed to opposition parties to unite behind the proposals. Kelly said: "It is ironic that our much maligned football fans are the first to stand up to defend freedom of speech and oppose this ridiculous, undemocratic and unenforceable piece of redundant legislation. "The ordinary fan has clearly a much firmer grasp of what human rights mean in Scotland than a First Minister jumping on a bandwagon which has quickly become a runaway train." Take a Liberty spokesman Stuart Waiton, a sociology lecturer at Abertay University in Dundee, said fans from a variety of clubs, including Airdrie and Celtic, helped hand out 5,000 leaflets at Ibrox yesterday, demanding "free speech in football" and "an end to the police harassment of fans who are deemed to be singing 'offensive' songs". He said the move was aimed at boosting a petition against the bill, which has attracted nearly 3,000 signatures. The group has also produced T-shirts with the slogan, after Voltaire: "I may hate what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it." Waiton said: "People may not like some of these songs, but seriously, a possible prison term for singing a 'naughty' song. If it wasn't so serious for the individuals involved you'd have to laugh." Waiton, who is a Sunderland fan, added that last week's arrests of 11 Hibs fans for disorder at a pre-season friendly against his team last month was "just the latest of this form of politicised policing". Last week, Conservative leader Annabel Goldie suggested offences at matches were already covered by existing legislation. Labour leader Iain Gray yesterday warned Salmond the SNP could lose cross-party support for the bill unless they listen to the concerns. Gray said Labour would seek urgent meetings with supporters' organisations to discuss their concerns. "We're not simply going to agree with this bill just because Alex Salmond says we should," he said. Scottish Labour leadership contender and Glasgow South MP Tom Harris, who helped distribute the leaflets yesterday, said: "Bad legislation is a lot worse than none. This will just antagonise and demonise football fans." A Scottish Government spokesman said: "Law abiding football fans - who are the overwhelming majority - have absolutely nothing to worry about from the proposed legislation." http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scotland/Rival-fans-team-up-in.6846148.jp?articlepage=1 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebear54 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Pretty interesting this. I do have a suspicion that this Bill was all hunky dory while it was intended to target us. I think the alarm bells started ringing after John Lamont made a comment about separate schooling, and its role in sectarianism in Scotland. Also, the ongoing debate that followed made it clear that the IRAoke should also be addressed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there has now been a noticable amount of backtracking these past few weeks - particularly in the press. Speirs is now totally against the Bill - although he was all for it when he gave evidence at the Justice Committee - and despite his manoeuvrings, his comments are on public record, including that stupid and crass comment about thought crime. Waiton, of course, has no part in this agenda. He is purely a neutral libertarian and has his own agenda - and all strength to his arm. What is laughable in all this is that the whole agenda was raised by Celtic and the RC/Irish descent community. But that same community is now hellbent on backtracking in fear that this Bill will not be in their interests. So once again they are driving the agenda, but they have changed their minds. My own view? Let's have this Bill, and let's have an even playing field. No more grey areas - just black and white. Otherwise, we will continue with the present situaion where it's us who will continually get bad publicity and attacks on what we sing and how we are all bigots. The other alternative is to let Celtic win the league for the next few years, and at least we'll get some peace and quiet. Interesting times ahead. Edited October 2, 2011 by bluebear54 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Going by the IRAoke at tynecastle today it's far from a level field. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebear54 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Going by the IRAoke at tynecastle today it's far from a level field. Yeah. Heard it - shocking. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yeah. Heard it - shocking. What was the two blocked off areas in the Celtic end all about. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers4Life 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Going by the IRAoke at tynecastle today it's far from a level field. And nothing will get done about it!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,626 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Going by the IRAoke at tynecastle today it's far from a level field. Anybody manage to get some recordings,youtube?? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Anybody manage to get some recordings,youtube?? Will it make any difference. The scum would need to walk on the pitch at halftime and belt it out even to get reaction from the SFA. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gers4Life 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 It's as clear as day ffs BBC will be showing the highlights tonight and you can bet that the audio coverage of the filth raining down from the stands will be scrubbed out! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Guaranteed they will be over-dubbing it as we speak with ring a ring of roses. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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