maineflyer 0 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 If nothing has changed since STS fell by the wayside before then, much as I'd like it to be otherwise, why would we expect it to reach a different conclusion today? Seems to me any hope would have to be based on rampant optimism about the good sense of the average Rangers supporter. Nuff said. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 That's fair enough but all the more reason for those of us not interested in the pettiness to move beyond that. I'm sure there are people on FF, RM, the RST etc who couldn't care less about past squabbles. The only people who don't care about the past nonsense are those unaware of it. If you didn't care about the nonsense in the RST you wouldn't have quit the organisation. If I didn't care about the nonsense on RM I likewise would have stayed there. Not trying to start an argument in an empty room here, just saying how I see it. JMO as they say. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,682 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 The only people who don't care about the past nonsense are those unaware of it. If you didn't care about the nonsense in the RST you wouldn't have quit the organisation. If I didn't care about the nonsense on RM I likewise would have stayed there. Not trying to start an argument in an empty room here, just saying how I see it. JMO as they say. Of course I care about what happened with respect to my involvement with the Trust but that was almost 3 years ago now. I wouldn't dream of holding any inter-site project back simply because I fell out with a few people. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Of course I care about what happened with respect to my involvement with the Trust but that was almost 3 years ago now. I wouldn't dream of holding any inter-site project back simply because I fell out with a few people. I think the nonsense between these sites is why I don't feel any initiative carries water. Again, JMO. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,682 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I think the nonsense between these sites is why I don't feel any initiative carries water. Again, JMO. There is no nonsense between these sites - the issues that do exist are exaggerated IMO and are only between a few individuals. Will that be enough to scupper any chance of better working relationships? Possibly but not for the genuine want of trying by people like Rab who are in no way involved with the pettiness we often read of. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,270 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I think you can take it from this that �£�£'s leader doesn't agree , he also doesn't do irony I've never met therabbit and therefore can't blame him for the behaviour of others. As for those others - when you are aware of the campaign of threats and intimidation against your erstwhile colleagues it beggars belief that "Rangers fans" would ally themselves with the threateners. Nor, I would hope, should anyone calling themselves a Rangers fan hand over internal communications to which you were privy to club directors with the express intention of sabotaging the work of the Trust. Whilst therabbit's plea for unity may be genuine there are people who's behaviour has excluded themselves from the right to call themselves Rangers fans. If you tolerate and titter in the background (or allow your forum to be a platform) while people are subject to threats (ranging from being killed, to being slashed to being 'given a slap') or the vilest personal slurs (theft, sexual misconduct, informer, etc) then you can't reasonably expect to be taken seriously when you turn round and say 'aw shucks, we made a boo-boo, can we be pals?' No-one holds all the members of a forum liable for the conduct of a few, but when those few are given houseroom in leadership positions you'll understand why pious calls for unity can't be taken seriously. You've made your bed, you've got to lie in it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,682 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) I don't think anyone should be judging who are Rangers fans and who are not (especially when said person's behaviour is less than dignified also) but again G_S is just one person so hopefully other FF members (and Trust board members for that matter) who do have more constructive relationships with other bears are a bit more forward-thinking. Again let's try and keep the thread constructive and in keeping with the sentiments Rab calls for. Edited April 5, 2011 by Frankie 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 There is no nonsense between these sites - the issues that do exist are exaggerated IMO and are only between a few individuals. Let's just say I know of plenty of bad blood between RM and FF. Whether that's a thing of the past is something I couldn't expand upon. Will that be enough to scupper any chance of better working relationships? Possibly but not for the genuine want of trying by people like Rab who are in no way involved with the pettiness we often read of. The problem is you don't just have inter forum rivalry and pettiness, but intra too. There is so much infighting within actual forums, that it's hard to take seriously attempts to overcome it. I tried, and failed. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 I don't think anyone should be judging who are Rangers fans and who are not (especially when said person's behaviour is less than dignified also) but again G_S is just one person so hopefully other FF members (and Trust board members for that matter) who do have more constructive relationships with other bears are a bit more forward-thinking. Again let's try and keep the thread constructive and in keeping with the sentiments Rab calls for. This isn't all GS's fault. The powers that be at RM in the past made clear their sentiments towards FF, sentiments I shared at the time before RM started to go the same route as FF. They're 2 peas in a rotten pod and one admin on RM trying to fix things seems thoroughly forlorn. Naive and admirable, but forlorn. I have experience of it first hand. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie 8,682 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 (edited) This isn't all GS's fault. The powers that be at RM in the past made clear their sentiments towards FF, sentiments I shared at the time before RM started to go the same route as FF. They're 2 peas in a rotten pod and one admin on RM trying to fix things seems thoroughly forlorn. Naive and admirable, but forlorn. I have experience of it first hand. Like I say there are obvious problems between a few people but that shouldn't stop the majority moving on past them. Edited April 5, 2011 by Frankie 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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