Zappa 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 We should be concentrating on our best and most popular sports such as football, rugby, golf, cycling, tennis and squash and employing PE teachers who are properly qualified to teach them as well as bringing in specialist coaches when needed. Leaving out primary education for the moment, I think a lot of Scottish secondary schools are predominantly focussing on rugby, hockey and maybe netball and athletics teams. Outside of those sports, PE in our schools generally consists of a little gymnastics, basketball, some running and some swimming if there's a pool in the area (most schools don't have their own swimming pool). Personally, I'd like to see all of our schools providing a proper football coach like they do in America with football and baseball. As you say, even sharing such specialized coaches between a few schools would be viable or at least you'd think it would be viable. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totti 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 The comparisons with smaller countries is fine , however one massive problem we face is that we pay far far too much to our players , the amount players recieve to play in Scotland is obscene , also the typical training day is absurd , I always use Stalle Stensas when he came from Norway where as a part timer he trained longer and harder than he did over here as a professional with us . How do we pay far too much? Compared to the rest of Europe we pay feck all. I'd imagine out of the CL this year we had near enough the smallest wage bill. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totti 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Leaving out primary education for the moment, I think a lot of Scottish secondary schools are predominantly focussing on rugby, hockey and maybe netball and athletics teams. Outside of those sports, PE in our schools generally consists of a little gymnastics, basketball, some running and some swimming if there's a pool in the area (most schools don't have their own swimming pool). Personally, I'd like to see all of our schools providing a proper football coach like they do in America with football and baseball. As you say, even sharing such specialized coaches between a few schools would be viable or at least you'd think it would be viable. I think most of the development is going to come from boys club football, the whole school thing can be forgotted about - nobody gives a shit. At least with boys clubs there's sometimes decent coaching and more time. When I was a kid I played for the same boys club as Paul Emslie, who used to play for us, and there was about 3 coaches there that all knew their stuff. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think most of the development is going to come from boys club football, the whole school thing can be forgotted about - nobody gives a shit. At least with boys clubs there's sometimes decent coaching and more time. When I was a kid I played for the same boys club as Paul Emslie, who used to play for us, and there was about 3 coaches there that all knew their stuff. Of course boys club football is there and extremely important, but how many young lads are deprived of the opportunity to get involved in it because their parents don't give a shit? At least if there was widespread football coaching available in the education system, kids who've got bad parents would be able to get involved in football and do more than kicking a toy ball around their nearest patch of grass. This also applies to the 'xbox generation' because there's bound to be a lot of young lads out there who would get more interested in playing football if they were getting coaching and organised local games through their school. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,255 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 How do we pay far too much? Compared to the rest of Europe we pay feck all. I'd imagine out of the CL this year we had near enough the smallest wage bill. How do you make that out , everytime we sign a player from abroad they always increase their wages , even coming from France , we pay way over the odds for players , also our wage bill will be small due to our squad size . Also do you think Copenhagen or Panathanikos or Hapoel Tel-aviv or FC Cluj pay more than us , no chance 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbr 1,255 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Just watched John Boyle talking on SSN about the proposed changes and the lack of money on offer , basically it's all the old firms fault , what a clown this guy actually is , if this is the future of Scottish football god help us all 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totti 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Of course boys club football is there and extremely important, but how many young lads are deprived of the opportunity to get involved in it because their parents don't give a shit? At least if there was widespread football coaching available in the education system, kids who've got bad parents would be able to get involved in football and do more than kicking a toy ball around their nearest patch of grass. This also applies to the 'xbox generation' because there's bound to be a lot of young lads out there who would get more interested in playing football if they were getting coaching and organised local games through their school. From my experience pretty much everyone I knew growing up who was into football played for a boys club, regardless of social background. Some kids will completely miss out though because they wont be pushed into sport at a young enough age. My sisters kid is 7 and has no interest in football whatsoever, really pisses me off. He was taken to a football thing at school, didn't really like it and hasn't been encouraged to do it again. All kids should be forced into doing sport. When he's older no doubt he might get into football but it will be too late to really develop any ability. In Holland they focus on kids as young as 5 with ball skills as this is the age where football ability is created. That is why Holland produce Van Der Vaarts, Van Persie and Sneidjers and we produce McCullochs, Dailys and Bob Malcolms 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think most of the development is going to come from boys club football, the whole school thing can be forgotted about - nobody gives a shit. At least with boys clubs there's sometimes decent coaching and more time. When I was a kid I played for the same boys club as Paul Emslie, who used to play for us, and there was about 3 coaches there that all knew their stuff. Therein lies the problem in that boys clubs are apart from senior football and amateur football is apart from junior football. there are no links to all the different levels of football. Why do Holland always manage to kick above their weight at international level and keep producing world top players is that the whole system is based on a pyramid. All levels from youth up to the professional game are all linked together. An amateur club is also a part of the community. Sometimes you have a family with three generations playing at the same time.(Grandfather,father and son). It is crazy in my view that the likes of Renfrew juniors is one team. A whole community should be playing for Renfrew juniors from 5year olds up to the granddad teams. It is crazy to me that once you become too old for a boys club that you are released to find an amateur team yourself. The top players will be scouted by senior teams but what a waste that some players will probably stop playing because they can't find an amateur team to play for. An amateur club in Holland can have something like : 20 senior teams 7 A-teams,(u19) 8 B-teams,(u17) 10 C-teams,(u15) 11 D-teams,(u13) 15 E-teams,(u11) 11 F-teams,(u9) From 5 until 7 most clubs have puppy leagues within their own club. These clubs all have their own playing fields,training facilities and canteen where beer wine and soft drinks can be served which pays a huge chunk of the coaching costs. If you have 10 teams playing at home(20 teams) on a match day and everybody buys one drink then you have sold at least 220 drinks many pubs would die for that. Of course speaking from experience I know that home teams buy crates of beer and not glasses. Every senior player pays roughly 18 euro's per month membership, with the youth paying half of that. This is indeed an example of a large club, a normal club will have between 4(village or small community) and 20(large community) senior teams. The broader the base of the pyramid is the higher you can build up. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrahimHemdani 1 Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) Therein lies the problem in that boys clubs are apart from senior football and amateur football is apart from junior football. there are no links to all the different levels of football. Why do Holland always manage to kick above their weight at international level and keep producing world top players is that the whole system is based on a pyramid. All levels from youth up to the professional game are all linked together. An amateur club is also a part of the community. Sometimes you have a family with three generations playing at the same time.(Grandfather,father and son). It is crazy in my view that the likes of Renfrew juniors is one team. A whole community should be playing for Renfrew juniors from 5year olds up to the granddad teams. It is crazy to me that once you become too old for a boys club that you are released to find an amateur team yourself. The top players will be scouted by senior teams but what a waste that some players will probably stop playing because they can't find an amateur team to play for.An amateur club in Holland can have something like : 20 senior teams 7 A-teams,(u19) 8 B-teams,(u17) 10 C-teams,(u15) 11 D-teams,(u13) 15 E-teams,(u11) 11 F-teams,(u9) From 5 until 7 most clubs have puppy leagues within their own club. These clubs all have their own playing fields,training facilities and canteen where beer wine and soft drinks can be served which pays a huge chunk of the coaching costs. If you have 10 teams playing at home(20 teams) on a match day and everybody buys one drink then you have sold at least 220 drinks many pubs would die for that. Of course speaking from experience I know that home teams buy crates of beer and not glasses. Every senior player pays roughly 18 euro's per month membership, with the youth paying half of that. This is indeed an example of a large club, a normal club will have between 4(village or small community) and 20(large community) senior teams. The broader the base of the pyramid is the higher you can build up. Interesting to see where this thread has gone! If you could ally this Dutch pyramid model, with coaching in the schools, to the German model of fan involvement at all levels in the clubs, then that might some kind of footballing utopia. Now why didn't McLeish think of that? Edited January 9, 2011 by BrahimHemdani typo 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totti 0 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Of course boys club football is there and extremely important, but how many young lads are deprived of the opportunity to get involved in it because their parents don't give a shit? At least if there was widespread football coaching available in the education system, kids who've got bad parents would be able to get involved in football and do more than kicking a toy ball around their nearest patch of grass. This also applies to the 'xbox generation' because there's bound to be a lot of young lads out there who would get more interested in playing football if they were getting coaching and organised local games through their school. Another thing - in a way parents caring too much (over protective) gets in the way of kids playing football. Kids in Argentina, Brazil and to a lesser extend the rest of the European countries are more likely to be out kicking a ball about. Now parents are too scared to let their kids out. The fact is that it's pathetic that a country which takes football so seriously struggles to produce any good players at all. Even tiny countries way down in the rankings seem to get the odd world class player by chance. We haven't had a world class player since........???????? Uruguay is much smaller than Scotland and not a single Scottish player would get in their squad 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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