Bluedell 6,042 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 And are these up to date comments readily available to anyone who logs into FF? And if so why doesn't someone on here who has an account with both sites, copy and paste it on here? The more relevant question is why don't the RST put them up on their website and send them out by email to their members? They are trying to put together something that will appeal to 20,000 fans. They need to move away from the mentality that the Rangers world revolves around FF if they want to widen their appeal. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Inside Left Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 The more relevant question is why don't the RST put them up on their website and send them out by email to their members? They are trying to put together something that will appeal to 20,000 fans. They need to move away from the mentality that the Rangers world revolves around FF if they want to widen their appeal. Agreed there are a lot of things they could/should be doing differently, but in the short term my original question remains pertinent, particularly as it's a place I don't frequent myself:) 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 "festering Rangers fans" ... "well known lunatic fringe" ... "junta" The rat Spiers sees the funny side. Rangers fans' takeover dream lacks credibility Graham Spiers The sheer farce of this attempted Rangers buy-out by supporters is beginning to tax every football fanââ?¬â?¢s patience ââ?¬â?? not least the more sane among those of an Ibrox persuasion. Almost as swiftly as it is being exclusively revealed that a ââ?¬Å?Mr Bigââ?¬Â is on the brink of riding to the clubââ?¬â?¢s rescue, it is being exclusively revealed (more often than not by the same newspaper) that the self-same Mr Big, in fact, is not riding to Rangersââ?¬â?¢ rescue. All the while a group of festering Rangers fans, duped on notions of being at the very gates of the Bastille, issue their internet bulletins daily saying: ââ?¬Å?Almost there lads ââ?¬Â¦ one more heave ââ?¬Â¦ the club will be ours.ââ?¬Â I have to say ââ?¬â?? and it is a condemnation of the sort of media we have today ââ?¬â?? that gullibility has been a recurring theme of this Rangers saga. The latest victim is poor Jim McColl, by all accounts a fine guy, a Glasgow man who happens to be worth, literally, hundreds of millions of pounds. Because the punting of his name as Rangers' next saviour had that familiar reek of rushed excitement about it over the weekend, youââ?¬â?¢ll forgive me for having written in The Times on Monday that, with McCollââ?¬â?¢s reported interest in bailing out Rangers, it all warranted ââ?¬Å?yet another large dose of cautionââ?¬Â and that ââ?¬Å?we are nowhere near closureââ?¬Â in this desperate bid to find a Rangers buyer. It then transpires that, over the past 24 hours, McColl calmly, if with a little pique, is forced to point out that he has no such intention of getting involved with the ailing Scottish club. Oh well, on to the next target. Who else might be hanging around Glasgow with some spare millions? One problem with this Rangers FC tragedy has been the role of the Rangers Supporters Trust (RST), a well-meaning bunch of guys but with a well-known lunatic fringe. The RST dreams daily of a ââ?¬Å?membership modelââ?¬Â for Rangers, in the same vein as Barcelona in Spain, where the club will be in the very ownership hands of its supporters. In such a scenario some of the more extreme members of the RST aim to take Rangers back in time a few decades, re-introduce some of the old ââ?¬Å?traditionalââ?¬Â (ahem) anthems to Ibrox, and, in the fine traditions of a junta, have a number of journalists, who have dared to criticise the club for its bigotry problem, banned and flung out of Ibrox. (I just hope Iââ?¬â?¢m not one of the guys to be taken up in the helicopters). Mercifully, none of this will happen, for two simple reasons. First, the Rangers board will not give houseroom to the wackier side of the RST ââ?¬â?? too much nonsense has occurred over the past few years for that to happen. Second, the ââ?¬Å?membership modelââ?¬Â of Barcelona has one serious flaw ââ?¬â?? the Catalan club is said to have a worldwide fan-base of nearly 40 million and is saturated with self-generated TV monies. Rangers, under a similar model but with their own Scottish impoverishment, would lurch along in relative poverty, and would have to severely downsize. Yet it remains a pipe-dream that causes some Rangers fans to perennially hallucinate. A fansââ?¬â?¢ co-operative would work for Rangers only in one way ââ?¬â?? if it had a sugar-daddy at the heart of it; in other words, if it really wasnââ?¬â?¢t a co-operative in the traditional sense at all. That is why men like Jim McColl and others find themselves being forever dragged into this. Otherwise, the arithmetic doesnââ?¬â?¢t stack up. The latest plan is for 20,000 Rangers fans to cough up Ã?£1,500 each, thus raising Ã?£30 million with which to buy the club. Twenty thousand subscribers has been blithely spoken of as an attainable target, whereas in fact 5,000 Rangers fans being willing to cough up such a sum may be a more realistic figure. Another problem in all this is a degree of apathy ââ?¬â?? for all their passion ââ?¬â?? about the Ibrox fans. The Manchester United Supporters Trust (MUST) has a membership of nearly 140,000. The RST, with more than a few being put off by its loonier image, is said to have a membership of just 2,000. There isnââ?¬â?¢t just dreaming, and some mad reporting, in this Rangers fuss. There is also a severe lack of reputable political muscle. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,042 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 Sorry Bluedell, but the only comment I saw on FF about who we are dealing with was the denial that David Low was in any way involved with our document. This was posted on here which is why I didn't bother. If I've missed something then you'll have to forgive me. We've tried very hard recently to ensure that our members are e-mailed first then put things up on our site prior to anything going on messageboards. We only found out late on Saturday night about this leak and on Sunday and Monday our media guys were inundated by the press looking for information. We'll issue a ststement in due course but other than the above I can't see anything else on FF that hasn't been available elsewhere. It would just be good to be definitively told how much truth there is to the articles, without having to go onto messageboards, either here or elsewhere. Following the Duffy affair, where the quotes attributed to the RST spokeman were later denied, surely it can be seen that we therefore can't rely on what is being reported in the press and have no way of knowing what the real situation is? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,042 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 MF, I thought better of you than to start quoting that ****. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmck 117 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 MF, I thought better of you than to start quoting that ****. MF will quote anyone, no matter how rancid, if they agree with his tastes and preferences 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 MF, I thought better of you than to start quoting that ****. I thought it was an excellent example of the sort of opportunity we allow our enemies if we don't handle our own affairs properly.:devil: It suddenly dawned on me to see what the weasel Spiers was making of recent events - and there it was. How could I not share it with you? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluedell 6,042 Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 I thought it was an excellent example of the sort of opportunity we allow our enemies if we don't handle our own affairs properly.:devil: It suddenly dawned on me to see what the weasel Spiers was making of recent events - and there it was. How could I not share it with you? I'm just left feeling unclean. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Ally 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Don't worry guys, soon no one will be quoting Speirs as no one will pay to go on his newspapers website. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calscot 0 Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Can I ask, what does SDM have against fan ownership - if he gets the required price and Rangers are in sympathetic hands, what's his problem? If Spiers says we could get 5000 takers, I immediately think we'd then definitely get at least 10,000 due to his well dodgy arithmetic - which would be enough for a 50% + 1 ownership model. We just need 15M from a sugar daddy or consortium - not exactly a lot for the "fun to be had" for a rich businessman being on the board of a football club like Rangers. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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