OnlyOneAmoruso 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 Depends what you define as above average I guess. Plying their trade at mid-level Championship clubs isn't above average to me. Alright Doc, I take it back. The youth system is as good as it's ever going to be. As we're in a footballing backwater then we shouldn't strive to improve ourselves with something as trivial as scouting and a youth academy 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmck 117 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 Alright Doc, I take it back. The youth system is as good as it's ever going to be. As we're in a footballing backwater then we shouldn't strive to improve ourselves with something as trivial as scouting and a youth academy I definitely think it's the best thing to aim for - but are there examples of any clubs who regularly produce top top quality youngsters? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneAmoruso 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) That's definitely a fanciful notion and I think what calscot was getting at. No-one does that, it's about doing it on comparative terms. Letting go of McCormack and Adam for a combined fee of 500k when their new clubs could now rake in up to and exceeding �£5m combined is an example of how it goes wrong. If the player is ultimately not successful at the club but still clearly talented then they should be moved on for a profit and the money reinvested. It's unrealistic to expect us to breed 11 world class players who will play together for 15 years. It's not unrealistic to aim for one player every 2 seasons to come through from the reserves and cement a regular place in the first team and eventually be moved on for a decent amount of money. On top of that another couple of players coming through who are perhaps slightly less talented but who can become decent squad players or moved onto to middle of the road english clubs for �£1million or so (as an example). We can see examples of it just now and long may it continue. We can see that players like Fleck and Wilson have the talent to go that little bit extra. We can also see that with the right training and application players like Little and Shinnie can go on to have very successful careers but perhaps not as successful as the first two I mentioned. That's just an opinion based on having seen the four of them for a couple of years. Edited February 16, 2010 by OnlyOneAmoruso 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 We cannot go down the Arsenal route , they pay an absolute fortune on their young players , something we would never be able to afford . Better coaching and more time working with a ball would help , you kids are generally fit anyway so why we waste time running is beyond me , it should all be about ball control at least until 15 or 16 , fitness can always be worked on later , that's what the europeans believe from what I have seen and read Yes, too much is put onto height and strength with Scottish players rather than the technical aspects of the game and keeping the ball for long periods. Thats why a lot of small players get rejected and end up being top quality. I'm pretty sure Copenhagen rejected Modric cause he was too small. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy steel 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) I haven't read all of this since I smell my dinner coming, but I would reject any talk of Walter Smith leaving unless he wants to. The man is in with the bricks in my small opinion - we'll be a long time looking for his like again. Btw - has Carragher been at Liverpool for over 10 years, someone said they hadn't produced any home grown players? I would also say they missed out on whatisname, leftback, went to Blackburn and I forget where he is now. Good player. Edited February 16, 2010 by andy steel 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneAmoruso 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Author Share Posted February 16, 2010 Warnock? Yes he seems like a good player in a problem area. If the Doc is using players such as Nicholson, Ross, Hughes (or even potential multi-million players such as Adam & McCormack) as evidence of a good scouting system then Liverpool have produced players such as Warnock & Mellor would be proof that Liverpool have produced players also. Carragher has been at Liverpool and in or around the first team for 13 years. Gerrard for about 11 or so. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmck 117 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 hope you have a healthy wad of cruciferous vegetables in your dinner there for your memory 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 That's definitely a fanciful notion and I think what calscot was getting at. No-one does that, it's about doing it on comparative terms. Letting go of McCormack and Adam for a combined fee of 500k when their new clubs could now rake in up to and exceeding �£5m combined is an example of how it goes wrong. We got Boumsong on a free pre contract and made 8M from it. We raised Barry through the ranks and sold him for 8M. Point being is it happens to everyone, not just us. And we benefit from it too. We can improve things if we want, but we'll always get burned and benefit in equal measure, just like everyone else. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilledbear 16 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 We can produce players like Wilson, but if you can't hold on to them long enough!! We have done ok over the last few years. Only problem is if we don't want them we give them away for sweeties. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Preston Burke 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Share Posted February 16, 2010 I haven't read all of this since I small my dinner coming, but I would reject any talk of Walter Smith leaving unless he wants to. The man is in with the bricks in my small opinion - we'll be a long time looking for his like again. Btw - has Carragher been at Liverpool for over 10 years, someone said they hadn't produced any home grown players? I would also say they missed out on whatisname, leftback, went to Blackburn and I forget where he is now. Good player. The last player Liverpool produced who became an established first team player was Gerrard 12 years ago. Warnock would be closest to that, with Danny Guthrie, Neil Mellor, David Thompson having reasonable careers 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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