Davis

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I know you side with WS and hesitate to give a chance to youngsters but what's to say a 17 year old won't come in and play out of his skin and play well?

 

You think that young players will automatically fail. I don't understand it.

 

I don't think 17 year olds will all fail although the history of evidence suggests they have far less chance of making an impact at Ibrox than an established player we have brought to the club - and Walter can't be blamed for that.

 

To me it's obvious why a 17 year old youngster at the club is unlikely to be the answer: we are the top club in the country so to fit into our team, they have to be really exceptional - the creme de la creme of Scottish youth, to even have a slight chance.

 

For the best talent in the country to all be playing their stuff at Murray park would be a huge coincidence - and I don't think even the best coaches in the world can scour the country and predict who will be so good, as to able to play for the Scottish champions at a mere 17 years of age.

 

I have no problem with 17 year olds per se, but to me it is strange logic to think that we can repeatedly use such young and inexperienced players to replace established internationals without any risk to our results.

 

If we're going to play any of them, then I would prefer we stopped at the best one or two at most. At the moment we have Wilson and Fleck playing, and so to me that's enough inexperience in the team that needs to be balanced with older heads.

 

If any of the rest are good enough for first team football then loan them out to a first division side for a season and if they are a great success there; that's when it's time to think about introducing them into the best team in Scotland.

 

I think a lot of people forget how big a club we are and how high our expectations are. We can't expect any old 17 year old to live up to the pressures of those expectations just because he's young and enthusiastic and maybe looks ok against other 17 year olds who are not yet established.

 

There is a difference playing against your pears and playing against older, highly experienced pros, who have picked up a lot of nous over the years.

 

There is also a sensible case for vetting these players to gauge if they are good enough and at the same time ready to play at an incredibly high level, where mistakes are punished severely. It is the coaching staff's job to do this and I think we have to trust them to some extent in this regard. Fans wanting to play a youngster because they heard he had a good game in the U19 league are really doing so from a perspective of ignorance - unless they watch them every week. And even then it takes a skillful eye to see who can step up.

 

I remember watching Ashikodi quite a few times for the U21's on Rangers TV and thinking he was an excellent player who was due for step up to the first team. I was therefore surprised when we let him go. Then if I look for him now on

the web, I find he's so good at the age of 22 he's playing for Kettering Town... Shows how much I know.

 

Lesser clubs will build their teams from the ranks and now and again will do well, but they will not be consistently competitive in all trophies.

 

Youth has it's place but it's not a panacea.

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I certainly don't think he's been any worse than Thomson or Mendes and to my mind has probably contributed more than those two. In all honesty Thomson has been awful since his return from injury and before Mendes was injured he tended to hide in game as well.

 

It's unfair to blame Davis when his midfield cohorts have hardly set the heather alight.

Can't argue with that.

 

Something else that's worth considering is the amount that we bypass our central midfielders with long balls from McGregor & the defense or wing plays from the full backs on to the wide players. It's not as if our central players are constantly given the opportunity to dictate the game the way we'd like to see. That's all about how the team play as a whole & how well they play a passing game, if at all.

 

It's still quite early in the season tbh & I think Davis will be a big player for us over the whole season if he steps up & shows why we paid what we did for his talents.

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I think a lot of people forget how big a club we are and how high our expectations are

 

I think a lot of people think we are a bigger club than we really are and that our expectation levels are far higher than what they should be.

 

We will have to lower our expectation levels over the next couple of seasons as the finances dictate that the bulk of our squad will have to be sold. That means the kids will be asked to do a mans job. wether or not they will be up for it i dont know.

 

one thing is for sure, we better be up for it. If were not then they havent got a hope in hell.

[craig 5,199]

Can't argue with that.

 

Something else that's worth considering is the amount that we bypass our central midfielders with long balls from McGregor & the defense or wing plays from the full backs on to the wide players. It's not as if our central players are constantly given the opportunity to dictate the game the way we'd like to see. That's all about how the team play as a whole & how well they play a passing game, if at all.

 

It's still quite early in the season tbh & I think Davis will be a big player for us over the whole season if he steps up & shows why we paid what we did for his talents.

 

I dont buy that.

 

I feel that McGregor and the defenders actually by-pass the midfield because they have little confidence in it. If I were McGregor I know I would be saying "why the fuck would I pass to them when I am likely to be trying to then make a save in the next 10 seconds".

 

The way our midfielders are playing is dictating the way the game is played behind the, NOT vice versa.

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Something else that's worth considering is the amount that we bypass our central midfielders with long balls from McGregor & the defense or wing plays from the full backs on to the wide players. It's not as if our central players are constantly given the opportunity to dictate the game the way we'd like to see. That's all about how the team play as a whole & how well they play a passing game, if at all.

 

It's still quite early in the season tbh & I think Davis will be a big player for us over the whole season if he steps up & shows why we paid what we did for his talents.

 

I dont buy that.

 

I feel that McGregor and the defenders actually by-pass the midfield because they have little confidence in it. If I were McGregor I know I would be saying "why the fuck would I pass to them when I am likely to be trying to then make a save in the next 10 seconds".

 

The way our midfielders are playing is dictating the way the game is played behind the, NOT vice versa.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one then. I want to see the ball passed out from defense to central midfield or either wing & creative plays made from there, not see the ball hoofed up the park & our front lines having to constantly fight for 50/50 balls when we could have retained possession in the first place. You constantly see our midfielders being mentioned as trying to make Brazil-like passes or passes they shouldn't be having a go at & yet our keeper & defense are launching 50/60 yard balls up the park the whole way through games & nobody mentions it. Then someone like me mentions it here on this Davis thread & all of a sudden I'm being told that our keeper & defense are constantly launching the ball over the heads of our central midfielders because they're pish & can't be trusted with the ball??? You're having a laugh. :fish:

[craig 5,199]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one then. I want to see the ball passed out from defense to central midfield or either wing & creative plays made from there, not see the ball hoofed up the park & our front lines having to constantly fight for 50/50 balls when we could have retained possession in the first place. You constantly see our midfielders being mentioned as trying to make Brazil-like passes or passes they shouldn't be having a go at & yet our keeper & defense are launching 50/60 yard balls up the park the whole way through games & nobody mentions it. Then someone like me mentions it here on this Davis thread & all of a sudden I'm being told that our keeper & defense are constantly launching the ball over the heads of our central midfielders because they're pish & can't be trusted with the ball??? You're having a laugh. :fish:

 

Me thinks you mis-understand me. I want to see us playing the ball on the deck from defence to midfield to attackers to net. It is the way the game is supposed to be played.

 

My point is that the GK and defenders by-pass the midfield as there is a lack of confidence in it. If you dont believe that then just why is McGregor and the defence launching the ball over the midfield ? Personally I dont think we do it that much.

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So he's a bit inconsistent is he? Well he gets swapped from RM to CM every other fucking week. He is one of our most technically gifted players, he's 23 and Walter is to blame for the lack of understanding in the middle of the park due to his constant shuffling of the pack. He's become worse that Benitez FFS. Christ it's like scapegoat lottey on here these days. The boy is a CM. Play him there. It's Walters fault we dont have a RM not Davis's.