Union City Blue 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (yes and celtic) Is everyone comfortable with all this talk of breakaways to undefined competitions in unspecified lands playing against unidentified opponents? I'm not really, to be honest. I can obviously see the advantages (i.e. money) but while everyone's creaming over the concept I just hope that the fans and the game in this country won't be left behind. And I include Rangers fans in that. This stinks of business wanting what's best for business so I hope that everybody keeps their thinking balanced as we move down this road. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (yes and celtic) Is everyone comfortable with all this talk of breakaways to undefined competitions in unspecified lands playing against unidentified opponents? I'm not really, to be honest. I can obviously see the advantages (i.e. money) but while everyone's creaming over the concept I just hope that the fans and the game in this country won't be left behind. And I include Rangers fans in that. This stinks of business wanting what's best for business so I hope that everybody keeps their thinking balanced as we move down this road. Couldn't give a monkey's about celtc tbh and I don't understand this inability to mention Rangers without also referring to the filth from the east end. As for breakaways, the present path isn't exactly doing us many favours and since the country of our roots is now almost unrecognisable I see little reason to remain part of it. In fact, if we're honest, it's more a case of Rangers being cast out than us leaving. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 (yes and celtic) Is everyone comfortable with all this talk of breakaways to undefined competitions in unspecified lands playing against unidentified opponents? I'm not really, to be honest. I would be comfortable with changes on the European competition stage, since despite all their tampering & tinkering I don't think UEFA have got it right yet at all. The 'Champions' League setup is surely wrong when Champions from some countries need to qualify while 2nd, 3rd & 4th placed teams from the big money leagues are gaining automatic entry. It's essentially set up in a way that's extremely biased in favour of the big money leagues & teams purely for business reasons. There's still only just a 'chance' that the SPL winners this season will have automatic group stage entry next year & the following year it's anyone's guess whether our Champions will have to qualify or not. I've said for quite some time that the Champions League should be just that - a Euro league for all the actual Champions of European domestic leagues & that they should ALL gain automatic entry every year. Other teams below the Champions from around Europe, whether it be 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 teams from the respective countries, should all have to play qualifiers to reach group stages of a 2nd, less prestigious Euro league/Europa Cup or whatever they want to call it. Something definitive & widely agreed upon should be set up & left alone because all this tampering with & renaming of the European competitions is not only taking the shine off them, but ultimately screwing with the history & foundations of European football competition. As for the OF playing in England, I'll believe it when I see it. Never going to happen IMO. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union City Blue 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 Couldn't give a monkey's about celtc tbh and I don't understand this inability to mention Rangers without also referring to the filth from the east end. As for breakaways, the present path isn't exactly doing us many favours and since the country of our roots is now almost unrecognisable I see little reason to remain part of it. In fact, if we're honest, it's more a case of Rangers being cast out than us leaving. Don't think any of us gives a monkeys about celtic tbh. I also detest these constant "old firm" references as though we are one and the same. Having said that, if they closed down tomorrow - as things stand - and failed to reappear I'd say their absence would signal a slow downward trend for Rangers on lots of levels until we were left with a core support of ... well I don't know how many. Any two-team competition would be in the same situation. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maineflyer 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Don't think any of us gives a monkeys about celtic tbh. I also detest these constant "old firm" references as though we are one and the same. Why did you feel compelled to mention them then? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union City Blue 0 Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 Why did you feel compelled to mention them then? Because the contemporary debate includes both Rangers and celtic and I was talking about what gets lets behind. It's entirely legitimate to mention them in this context, even if our priority is Rangers. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 972 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (yes and celtic) Is everyone comfortable with all this talk of breakaways to undefined competitions in unspecified lands playing against unidentified opponents? I'm not really, to be honest. I can obviously see the advantages (i.e. money) but while everyone's creaming over the concept I just hope that the fans and the game in this country won't be left behind. And I include Rangers fans in that. This stinks of business wanting what's best for business so I hope that everybody keeps their thinking balanced as we move down this road. I wonder if it would be possible to keep a team in the Scottish leagues which would be made up of our reserves or U21's if that was allowed. Considering we have pulled our reserve team out of that league it would seem a good idea even if we had to start off in Div 3. That way we are still represented in Scotland and other clubs would still get to play the OF and it would be on a bit more of an even playing field. Im sure a reserve Rangers and Celtic team would still manage to pull a bit of a crowd in. One rule would have to be that the squad would be submitted before the season starts and there could be no first team players moving to the reserves during the season. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,499 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I wonder if it would be possible to keep a team in the Scottish leagues which would be made up of our reserves or U21's if that was allowed. Considering we have pulled our reserve team out of that league it would seem a good idea even if we had to start off in Div 3. That way we are still represented in Scotland and other clubs would still get to play the OF and it would be on a bit more of an even playing field. Im sure a reserve Rangers and Celtic team would still manage to pull a bit of a crowd in. One rule would have to be that the squad would be submitted before the season starts and there could be no first team players moving to the reserves during the season. I just wonder if a situation as above would split the Rangers support with the Euro team actually feeling less of a Rangers team. People might not associate with the Euro team as with the Scottish team. I am talking long term of course. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy steel 0 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Let's not forget that although the EPL is awash with cash atm, it might not always be thus. I doubt many people foresaw the European ban following Heysel; you just don't know what's round the corner. It has to be said, though, that the Scottish football model has had it's day, and is in drastic need on an overhaul. I can't see any way you can re-arrange the current teams into something interesting, so I guess it will have to be some kind of pan-Euro thing. I worry, though, that we'll be emphatically in the secon tier at best. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCF2008 0 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I worry, though, that we'll be emphatically in the secon tier at best. Even in the second tier of a European league structure the majority of the competition would be of a higher standard than most of the EPL sides. Would be a HUGE step up from the SPL and not just in a financial sense. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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