Where are those anal accountants?

[maineflyer 0]

It would be pretty easy for anyone to find out my salary so I'm not sure what privacy you're referring to. And I don't guard my salary info as some kind of top secret either.

 

How much do you earn?

[bmck 117]

It seems to me that jealousy is the biggest if not single argument.

 

don't be daft. privacy in non public-interest contracts is a pretty fundamental premise of law. people can be relaxed about it if they want, but it's their legal right not to be.

[craig 5,199]

It would be pretty easy for anyone to find out my salary so I'm not sure what privacy you're referring to. And I don't guard my salary info as some kind of top secret either.

 

How would they find out your salary unless YOU chose to tell them ?

 

Your company is duty bound to keep that information confidential.

 

If someone else tells them then you have the right to sue them.

[craig 5,199]

PS I didn't say we have the right to know, I just said that the arguments against it are not exactly strong. We now have jealousy and privacy, the first is very weak and second doesn't really have much reasoning behind it beyond the generic.

 

I fail to see how you can say that the arguments against it are weak, especially when one argument against it is the law itself.

 

The law makes no requirement for anyone disclose their salary details and, as such, employees are allowed to keep the information private.

 

Actually, lets take another look at it.... how about you tell us the reasons why they SHOULD divulge the information. Because all I seem to be seeing are arguments against why it shouldnt be kept private, with no proper reason as to why it should be made public. What benefit and to who is making the info public going to achieve ?

 

I am struggling to see a reason that would be stronger than legal requirement.

[calscot 0]

How is that then?

 

I didn't think it was freely available information?

 

If it's that easy why is it not just as easy to find out football players wages and what is this arguement for?

 

Players are not generally on widely available salary scales. In education we are.

 

The point is that not everyone's salary is completely private and so you can't use that as a reason for players salaries to be so private which you did earlier.

[calscot 0]

How would they find out your salary unless YOU chose to tell them ?

 

Your company is duty bound to keep that information confidential.

 

If someone else tells them then you have the right to sue them.

 

Salary scales are not that private in the public sector. If you know my job and know how long I've been here then you can easily find out my salary.

[craig 5,199]

Players are not generally on widely available salary scales. In education we are.

 

The point is that not everyone's salary is completely private and so you can't use that as a reason for players salaries to be so private which you did earlier.

 

Those salary scales have bands though. How narrow are the bands ? People will have an idea as to what you earn but they wont know for sure - is that really any different to pro footballers ?

 

Education is a nationalised "industry" and are held to different standards from the private entities. Not exactly a "like-for-like" comparison.

 

Regardless of how you look at it people have no right to know anyone else's salary. If they did, do you not think that they would have a pay scale that was one defined number rather than fleibility between a lower and upper end of a range ?

 

Anyway, given that we would still have some guesswork regarding your salary is no different than that we could guess what Rangers players get. We know they wont be getting more than 30k a week and could have a reasonable stab at roughly what they get.

 

I dont think it is that far removed from your situation, albeit the disparity between the lower and upper range would be greater.

 

I still dont see just what benefit the fans have in knowing this information.

[calscot 0]

I am struggling to see a reason that would be stronger than legal requirement.

 

Well I'm willing to be convinced but why wouldn't I find saying "it's the law" a weak argument? To strengthen the argument you have to say why it's the law.

 

We've been calling the law an ass in other threads so what makes the fact something is law so compelling? Why don't we just accept certain songs are against the law?

 

"You mustn't sing the Famine song."

"Why?"

"Because it's the law."

"Oh, Ok then."

 

Substitute "people being jealous" for "people being offended" and you've got similar arguments.

 

Many laws have good reasoning behind them but no-one has yet explained this one much so far.

 

I'm not saying the law is wrong, it's just not yet very compelling.

[craig 5,199]

Salary scales are not that private in the public sector. If you know my job and know how long I've been here then you can easily find out my salary.

 

As per my previous post.....

 

The pertinent statement from what you say above is "public sector". Rangers do not operate in the public sector and are therefore subject to a different set of rules and standards. Like it or not.

 

Fair point that you can get closer to your salary and, quite possibly, guess it accurately.

 

Why is it that there are publicly available pay scales for educators ? Is it because there is a requirement that these scales are available for viewing ? If so then there is your answer, the educational institution is adhering to legislative requirements, in the same way as Rangers and most other private entities are in their realm. If not then it is a stance which has been elected to be taken but there being no requirement to do so why ? and why should others follow that lead when it adds very little benefit other than "transparency" or, just as likely, "noseyness".

 

Either way, Rangers are adhering and complying with the legal requirements placed upon them. Just why should they go above and beyond that and tell all external parties (uncluding competitors) just how much their employees make ?

 

Not sure about governmental institutions but most publicly listed companies will provide what is necessary legislatively, but not much else. They do, after all, have to look after the entity itself and I simply won't see the necessity for anyone to see the salaries broken down into specifics.

 

It is the cumulative total of the wages that has impact on the financial status of the club. I re-iterate, just what could the fans do even if armed with each individual players salary ? Answer is probably little to nothing.

[calscot 0]

Those salary scales have bands though. How narrow are the bands ? People will have an idea as to what you earn but they wont know for sure - is that really any different to pro footballers ?

 

Education is a nationalised "industry" and are held to different standards from the private entities. Not exactly a "like-for-like" comparison.

 

Regardless of how you look at it people have no right to know anyone else's salary. If they did, do you not think that they would have a pay scale that was one defined number rather than fleibility between a lower and upper end of a range ?

 

Anyway, given that we would still have some guesswork regarding your salary is no different than that we could guess what Rangers players get. We know they wont be getting more than 30k a week and could have a reasonable stab at roughly what they get.

 

I dont think it is that far removed from your situation, albeit the disparity between the lower and upper range would be greater.

 

I still dont see just what benefit the fans have in knowing this information.

 

 

I think it could benefit the fans knowing this information. I think we've shown on here that we'd like ALL the information on the finances so we know just what's going on.

 

We've been manipulated and mushroomed on many occasions and then told, "Well, you didn't complain at the time."

 

At least we now see the total wage bill and transfer fees and we do complain at the time.