bmck

its been said before, but there's no reasons why we should think good players automatically turn into amazing youth coaches. drastic stuff is needed, but that's pointless.

i agree with the sentiments too. i think our culture as a whole is getting more cynical and reactionary. the internet gives everyone a voice, and most people use it to moan.

i think you should be polemic, man, dont be constrained. what i was getting at really is that forums provide two functions: debate and venting. there's a lot of reason to be negative, so negativity shouldn't be cast out altogether.

but, like you, my personal opinion is that unrestrained negativity is a pain in the arse. so keep challenging it, there's no bother with that. just a tangent.

OFFICIAL STATEMENT

Thu 31 Jul 2008

 

Despite media speculation, there are no ongoing discussions with Glasgow Rangers Football Club for Glenn Loovens to move to Ibrox in exchange for any Glasgow Rangers players coming to Ninian Park.

maybe we're just going to pay cash

^ cal, i see your point, but forums are, in a sense, about venting as well as discussion. they get to vent, you get to say "we should be more positive" and it all goes along.

the reason you'll find a lot of people are so negative is because people think about them in the way you describe - if you've got an emotional sort of investment in anything, you're more likely to suspend rationality and ride the peaks and troughs and keep everything very much out of perspective. people need an opportunity to do that; though that doesn't mean that if you've heard too much of it you should keep quiet.

so, it's not a criticism, i think you've just to take a quite broad view about what a forum's about so that you don't start curtailing too many avenues of thought and the people that think along them. so long as everyone realises that whatever they say is fair game to be debated/agreed with etc, it's all good.

cheers lads!

anyone know?

i'm with bluedell. simply the best is a bit tacky, and it's a sign that the club is trying to appease the support, imho.

as hard as it is to disagree with fraser on this - young players should be gently introduced to a winning side ihmo - they simply cant be worse than what we have at the moment.

any kind of energy or will to go forward would improve our midfield.

Guys, I was trying to fix the annoying "phrase is missing" errors that appear everywhere (logging in etc) and broke the whole site temporarily.

All is well now, and the problem itself is fixed. Sorry for the downtime - I realise it was about an hour or so.

Cheers.

Barry

You must be very special with such an impressive CV. But it's OK, you're not unique, I can assure you that gullible Rangers fans go back way before your era. However, in my experience most of them did know the words to the club song.

right, enough of this. you've got a chance to argue your point, and all you seem to be interested in doing is making disparaging remarks.

debate's fine - argued points, but not insults. if the sum total of your argument is just to be sarcastic, you can take it elsewhere.

we need people who'll take different stances, but it helps none of us if it degenerates into name calling.

^ what would you change? its easy to point out mediocrity; more easy than to change it.

Mostly just contrived guff but two points are worth a response.

 

The first is that we should shut up when we see something we don't like. I put it to you that there is no better way to guarantee the perpetuation of mediocrity. Surely the last eight years is evidence enough on that.

 

The second is this strange notion that the fans should behave in some robotic fashion, trumpeting out support irrespective of ho wthe team/club performs. What about another approach - how about the team/club thinking they need to earn the support of the fans. In almost fifty years I have never seen the fans fail to back a quality Rangers side and I have never seen a player being criticised who didn't deserve it. Funny that.

i definitely dont agree, but it's a thought out counter argument. accepting your lot no matter how shit stuff, historically, is how the baddies maintain the status quo

nae bother pal. have fun.

"i might call other supporters cunts, but i never boo a player". you're all moral virtue "buddy".

in your few posts here you've managed to call your fellows supporters idiots and clowns. if you cant make an argument civilly, you can happily move along. there's nothing tights in a twist about asking people to be civil. if you're not up to it, and feel oppressed by it, there's a nice cross in top right of your screen. choices is yours.

your havin a laff bring back big marv he was a donkey and not ever rangers class...

 

some of you so called fans really do have a clue about the game...

we're not really fans of slating players or board members, here mate. so, if you're not going to condescend to give reasons, do give it a rest.

aye, i really agree. everything in society is more cynical than it was too. the papers used to think that making everything massive and exciting sold more. i think now that they realise people prefer moaning to joy: they sell sarcasm, and cynicism.

as recession-lite is kicking in, it's, in real terms, costing your average fan more to follow rangers, and they barely hear a person at ibrox who sounds enthusiastic about our future. the reason they cant sound enthusiastic is the same sobriety brought on by a precarious financial climate.

all in all, people reflect the times, but i agree that we all have it in us to stand more upright, and use the harshness of the times merely as extra contrast to our enthusiasm.

negative atmospheres dont arise out of nothing, even though it usually ends up displaying as disproportionate moaning, it's usually not without cause.

though i hate the term, there's no feel-good-feeling at ibrox just now, and it's not just the fans. everything has been subdued with every statement seemingly designed to lower expectation.

i dunno. i definitely agree that while it is nowhere as bad as the comments you see, that these comments exist at all shows how little it feels like we're progressing at all.

Jeroen van den Broeck has completed his move from Rangers to AGOVV in Holland.

The attacking midfielder has signed a contract with the Eerste Divisie outfit after a successful trial period.

He has already been allocated the number 24 shirt for the new season after convincing the Apeldoorn club he was worth taking on.

The 19-year-old failed to make a single first team appearance at Ibrox and has previously undergone a trial with Brugge.

The Gers snapped the Belgian up after spotting him playing amateur football in Spain.

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i didnt know anything about the boy - anyone ever seen him?

this happens too much to be bad luck. it happened all the time under walter last time too.

i think it'll be interesting to see who the people who dont want boyd to play think will be the top goal scorer. he hardly played last season and won it.

that's the thing about it all - he scores so much that i'm sure any honest boyd-dislikerer will still think he will be the top scorer, but it's still not enough. and it's hard to disagree that he doesnt do enough either.

that's some amount of strikers to have without having one creative midfielder.

Great toilet humour in the headline:thup:

wait till you read his comedy review of each weekend of fitbaw during the season!

perhaps man. these are changed times.

i think what's made last season so frustrating is the memory of the (tired) football we were playing towards the end. and also the fact that despite our better players being clearly knackered, walter still chose to field them. with a bit more energy from backup-type players we could have won the league - as our subs tend still to be as good as spl teams.

on the other hand, i watched a game on rangers tv a while ago, showing a christmas-time game with either dundee utd, or aberdeen, and there was passing, and moving, and players running into space. these are the better aspects of the game, and it's hard not to see them very often through the course of a season.

i'm not saying i wouldnt like to see us actually getting the ball down and playing a bit, but aesthetics are less important than results. unfortunately for walter, all hte poor football we played wont quickly be forgotten as it would have been if we'd either won the uefa cup or league.

When was the last time we played well and lost, the last time after a defeat you thought 'fuck, we played well there so there's positives to take from the game'?

 

Not since the DA era.

what's that got to do with anything? in a league like the spl, if we play at all well, the chances are we'll win. and we did win most of the time, even without playing well. a glorious defeat is just a defeat.

I was embarrassed to watch our performances at times and feel we have become a laughing stock on the European scene.

i cant stand this. football is about winning games. fuck europe if they think we are a laughing stock - it was us who got the final. and it was nowhere near as bad as some people make out - we had some remarkable performances in that european run.

winning is all that matters.