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It's Blake's 'infernal method', as he liked to call it. It was actually corroded, burned onto, copper plates and worked backwards. You can find out loads about it here: http://www.rochester.edu/college/eng/blake/inquiry/basic/ The etchings, while profound art in their own right, were only designed to contextualise the poems - so seldom over A4 size I don't think. The canvas print I have of Urizen is like A3/2 or something though. I have Blake art up all over the joint in here, he's my favourite poet. Also have an A4 full colour full editions of the 'illuminated works' that P bought me with her design prize winnings.

That's Urizen from Blake's poems. Evil god. Blake's view of certain bits of the OT god - the god the priests, as opposed to the prophets, liked. The tyranny of reason and moral law. It's also an etching, rather than a painting - though paints involved. I have a big canvas of that on the wall in the hoose to remnid me never to be too logical.

MF, I'm not sure what age you are and how many fingers you type with but that took the square root of feck all seconds to type.

Reminds me of the bit in the Frankie Boyle bit where he goes "This is the bit where you say something, then I say how shite it is, then we move on to the next one. What, did I just ruin the magic?" I'm also not big on the idea that communication via the internet isn't real. I like the modern. Anything can be an excuse to express opinion without the need for personal contact, given how detached its possible for one to choose to be. Similarly, the internet can be a club - or an aspect of a club. It's just another technology by which interpersonal interaction occurs. Take for example the OU - they recreate a lot of the missed interpersonal interaction between students through forums and such things - they run together with lectures and stuff, so the 'real' person and the id have to match to some extent. Though you see people quickly make an arse of it because of the disconnect. Not all judgements are created equal though. Just because you can't judge someone to the same extent you could with biographical detail and genuine interpersonal contact, doesn't mean you can't judge them at all. A rough analogy would maybe be a caller on a radio phone in. I think in this context 'causing offence' is just another way of saying being abusive, or acting cuntish, or breaking the established norms. I don't think its possible for the recipient to be offended in the same sense as you would a person out in the real world, but given that a forum is a metaphor for a discussion - say a pub discussion - it naturally creates its own metaphor for offence. Change 'forum' for any other adjective of category for any other situation and you have a fairly rigorous definition of offence in most contexts. Same

Oh, some of us here have met indeed. That bananaman didn't paint itself on my living room wall, eh tbh?

Stone him.

Totti was banned for being ridiculously drunken abusive.

*makes mental note* RM seems to be working ok for me...

^ We've checked. It's true. Or are you Danny trolling on an alt account? That we can't tell. Back on topic. They are the same, both have 'a' and 'e' in their second name.

The most hilarious thing is not that they'd spend all that time researching and get it wrong, it's just that they'd spend all that time.

Doubt you'll get an onslaught mate. SDOW has been an utter pro for us - genuinly Rangers class. A man of integrity and a superb player, but this has been one season too many. If everyone could have his attitude though we'd be in nothing like trouble.

Really disappointed Rangers let down Gribzy and me's prediction.

What Gribz said.

*hovers over the groan button till the anger passes*

Bloody hell. "I find it quite disappointing its just Bain" "No, that's the CEOs role" "It isn't for chairmen at other clubs" "Yeah but they just want in on the glory" "Yeah, it's just Bain that's what I'm saying" "Oh, mountain out of a molehill"

Just makes the point again in another way. All chairmen like the limelight of such things, when there's limelight to be had.

Which other clubs announce their new manager with the CEO? Celtic certainly didn't and that's the only other example I can think of. So it's at very least not universal procedure. DM announced PLG.`

My point exactly. Appointing the next manager in our few hundred year existence is hardly a 'day to day' affair.

Too late psycho

One other point to note is that while it's tempting to direct ire at the club for failing to stand up for us, they are as much symptom as cause of our recent woes. For the short term present the kinds of things that Rangers fans are abstracted to believe in are highly out of fashion - they symbolically represent a lot of things intellectual types are nervous about. Be it empire, union, nationalism, illiberalism, what's happening at the club, and how are supporters are being portrayed, is almost directly corrolates to the fact that society's opinion formers tend to be leftist ideologues. Note, I'm not referring to genuinly leftist people - but a horrible parody of leftism that hates British history, views Scotland as part of an empire, sees British dabbling in Irish/African affairs as Evil, believes we are a force for evil in the world, falls over themselves to apologise for themselves and any hint of prejudice that may unconsciously be being emitted by them, etc. Just like in films we make the older people racist, and pour all our anxieties about the issue onto them, Rangers fans are being scapegoated as the natural venting for all the unease about British history and multiculturalism etc from the opinion informing elites. These people essentially constitute a sort of new establishment defined by defiance against an imaginary establishment that no longer exists, if it ever did. The fact that we appear to have run out of friends in high places to spearhead any kind of movement just shows this. It won't be until people who care about Rangers enough start consciously or unconsciously regaining the top places in society that this will reverse itself, and those in the club won't find the bottle until such people are there. Celtic fans can't distinguish between petty leftism, Celtic, Catholicism, Celtic - most Rangers fans have the good sense to be able to divorce their politics, ambitions, and support from each other, but it's precisely the lack of politicised Rangers fans in high places that have left us open to such attacks - not the club itself. It's been a shift in culture that it seems like we've been caught the wrong side of. Unless you take the long view.

Is John Reid the CEO of celtic?

Haha, perhaps. The difference is though, it's not like we're on the ship - we're being sold it.

What I find most disheartening about that interview is that Martin Bain was there. Not that he shouldn't be, but similar managerial appointments elsewhere would see the manager draped in the hier-archy of the club - specifically the chairman. Our chairman is probably in America, and our owner is in the void he's been in for ages. The appointment of a manager is big news - regardless of whether we want Ally - and to see Martin Bain who is only a chief executive as the only person supporting isn't great.

A command is not a command until its ordered from a bunker.