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my argument wasn't really about the actual circumstances - but about calscot's line of thinking. after his family said it there was simply no choice, i agree (though i dont think its calling his family's intelligence into question to say that something along the lines of the club phoning and saying "is it ok if we do a clap instead of a silence? and they said 'yes', which turned into 'the family want it'). i was replying to calscot's argument that it was (in every case) more appropriate to clap entertainers than have a minute's silence. i was just showing thats not necessarily true. and that those who prefer a minute's silence aren't wrong to prefer it. i know thats what you (and calscot, and a lot of other people) personally think. good for you all, there's a good argument for it as i said. all i was saying that just because we agree "that they spend their whole lives getting applause" it doesn't necessarily follow that we should applause for a minute. its one possible alternative, certainly, but not the only one. that aside, i wonder if the family of the next tragedy will be asked? i'm willing to bet that the ibrox high heid yins wanted this in place, and now that a precedent has been set, there will be no further consultation. we'll see if i'm wrong. That is your choice barry his family obviously think different. that was my point. calscot was trying to convince someone that his choice was more appropriate, my reply was showing why it was valid to disagree - not espousing one particular way or the other (i'm personally not overly fussed, though tend towards silences).

its a little hard to make a judgement based on a few games, and in a poor team. he seems to do the business for his country - lets give him time.

yay. people are using the thread already! i'll mark that one as disputed.

haha. thats it exactly. he's one of those players you hate in every team but your own.

good first post - pretty much spot on. welcome to the boards.

a minute's silence is (was?) the footballing equivilant of "showing your respect", regardless if its a member of the royal family, the pope, september 11 or a legend passing away. the issue is not whether one of these is more tragic or not, but whether we should be forced to pay our respects in a new way just because you (or anyone) think(s) its more suitable. it may be more suitable, for the reasons you have argued - but we needn't accept your initial premise that there should be different sorts of responses to different sorts of events. you may say there should be, others may say "this is what we do to show our respect". in other words, your argument is like this: 1. different sorts of respect are appropriate for different sorts of event 2. a silence is more befitting a tragedy, a clap is more befitting the timely death of an entertainer therefore 3. bobby shearer (an entertainer) should be clapped we can logically accept that 3 follows 2, but we needn't accept 1. it can be equally argued 1. a minute's silence is how respect is paid at football matches therefore 3. bobby shearer should have a silence the problem isnt the logic of your argument, but the view you have as to what "should" be done.

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the reporting of it on the rangers website suggested that the Knights of Virtue merely 'overpowered' the Demons of Rebellion, not mentioning that young children were (apparently, from what i've read etc) spat on and subject to the general verbal abuse by the Knights of Virtue.

fans protesting were attacked by other fans.

yeah, the very fact that this could even have been perceived, the very fact that the whole thing even happened, is very worrying indeed. what this does show, beyond any reasonable doubt, is that there is a deep deep divide appearing in the rangers support. at one extreme there are those (potentially with good reason) who believe that dm is so much of a dictator that he would cause (or give the nod to) actual trouble, and then misrepresent it via the website as propaganda. at the other is those who believe that dm is our pontiff and all he says is ex cathedra. most fall in somewhere in the middle, but i still think most tend towards the latter.

i must admit, i doubt it. judging by general sentiment i doubt it would be done by anything other than angry fans. i think these rumours do more harm than good, and cause even more division (which is not to say they shouldn't be discussed).

that'd be funny. of course, they could just come to us with 'Barrat Homes' signs, the way things are going with murray.

agreed. i think this is the most important thing. its just another way to say the fans "we dont trust you". thats what makes it so annoying.

the RSA doing some good? now there's a thing!

clearly sectarian.

aye, true. unfortunate that its the case, but you are right.

yup, it is about balance. just now the balance isn't good, but i still think we should get scott brown if we have the chance. he's a good player.

i disagree - i think a player like scott brown is exactly what we need. being young doesn't necessarly preclude quality, and i think in his case that is what we would be getting. i'd say, in his football development, he seems to be around the same level as clement. though i agree we need a centre half first.

i think we should get at least 1.5 for him. he's a more rounded player than sebo, surely.

very sinister suspicions there. what do you think this is? a conspiracy? next you'll be saying that they would be so sinister as to paint a violent and verbal attack on a peaceful protest in a good light.

http://www.gersnet.info/vb/showthread.php?t=2344 any quotes should be added here.

i agree. its all just speculation (which is why i tend not to comment on it). burke's an enigma. he's a consistent performer, but injured quite a lot. but we definitely miss him in the side.

and the italians before that. nonetheless - i can see why we should fight for our traditions. it just feels like the clubs doing ANOTHER thing to deny your average fan. but you cant argue with the family's wishes, even if it was manufactured by the club.

we do miss him, i totally agree. he's an excellent player, and a great prospect, and i wouldn't want to lose him. that being said, he does injury easily and if he's holding us to ransom, then he can go.