Walterbear

Given the police have said they cannot search celtic fans for these firecrackers responsibility lies with the club to do something to protect our fans. The club cannot abdicate responsibility as they have control over reducing the threat by reducing the allocation. Saying it’s up to the police and stewards isn’t good enough. Ultimately the club needs to act Just because these things might not kill someone (although I suppose could cause a heart attack) does not mean it is acceptable to lob them into the crowd.

I’m genuinely appalled that the club has failed to condemn celtic fans for throwing these devices into our own fans at our stadium which they are custodians of. We can be condemned for using them elsewhere but our Board have a responsibility to ensure the safety of everyone in the stadium (even ‘them’). I hope this silence is because they are talking with the police to ascertain facts but if so then they should state this. More evidence our MD is not fit to do his job. To be clear people have had damage to their hearing and a young lad needed medical treatment after being hit by a £2 coin. Wtf does it take for our Board to say something and act in the interests of our fan safety? Did they say or do anything after a flare was thrown at Wes previously? The only comment they have made is about effing banners over advertising. If one one of these devices was lobbed into the directors box you can bet we might hear something from the Board. It’s scandalous.

And where was James Dornan tweet to the cops when hundreds of his constituents marched on a pub in Glasgow after the last OF game and actually DID wreak havoc and violence?

I can’t be ersed with UB but the banner says ******s. It doesn’t have derogatory adjectives. Might no be PC but cops getting involved is nonsense. They are Irish Republican ******s nothing wrong with them being that so - it’s their right in a free society - if that’s what they want then that’s what we can call them.

Pretty succinct and makes a case that a lot of the dissemination of confidential information and selection of Rangers for particular punishment was coordinated by people across different areas who had privileged access to highly confidential information. One of the more more intriguing aspects is the source of leaks. It is hard to believe the information would have come from a Civil Servant in HMRC as they are pretty good at playing a straight bat at senior levels and if found out would lose their jobs and nice pension etc. I could almost certainly guarantee that the information would only have been known to a very small number, would have included senior civil servants and higher grade officers and they just don’t do this sort of thing and would easily be identified if they did. Possible other sources are politicians associated with HMRC, and people from the accountancy and legal fraternity in consort with celtic bloggers based in the same country as some of their board members and of course our own celtic minded media people had to be included. Either way it is clear that a lot of the leakage was extremely well coordinated between a number of people in different areas and wasn’t just one random lunatic breaking into HMRC computers (technically very unlikely). I would not exclude the possibility that a certain football club may have been involved in making sure Rangers uniquely were used as a guinea pig given the closeness of their board to govt and the fact people inside football including celtic knew this was going on (along with their own scams and evasion of debts). The coordination of leaked information across the media was clearly not the work of an amateur. It also wasn’t the work of investigative journalism as Scotland doesn’t have any (Mark Daley has gone quiet since Dermot called him a Rangers supporter). None of which diminishes our responsibility for mismanaging our club but it does suggest that there is more to this than a desire for sporting integrity. The article paints a nice picture of collusion against Rangers at senior levels across agencies, and highlights a vilification of only Rangers and no other clubs with financial and moral scars, it highlights a dismissal of justice for perpetrators of crimes against our club post 2012, the total lack of acceptance or acknowledgement that Rangers fans have suffered whilst bankrolling Scottish football even from the depths of the lower leagues. If there is one positive in all if this it how our club has become more united and in particular how our stadium has been spectacularly packed for 6 years. That is something celtic (18k at a cup quarter final) or vice champions Aberdeen or sell out Saturday Dundee Hibs and the likes could never have done. Keep putting the ball in the back of the net Rangers. Our haters feel every goal we score and it is a blow against the lot of them.

Signed. Their behaviour against us from club, players and ‘fans’ means we have no obligation to give them a high profile section of our stadium. Give this stand to Rangers fans. Put them in the corner where they belong and treat them like other away fans. It has gone from a noisy, rowdy spectacle to a bitter hatefest against us and against our very existence in our own stadium. We could fill that stand with Rangers fans like we do for every other home game. Let a new generation of Rangers fans support our club at Ibrox. Btw there is no point filling it in and not giving your Rangers number. As for the pleasure of seeing seeing their faces when we beat them I’d far rather see an extra 7000 happy Bears. I’ve seen enough of their miserable hate filled coupons to last several lifetimes.

Cant see it this season as we would almost certainly have to win every match and we are bound to drop points on the evidence especially at home games to date but it would be nice to serve notice on them. If we can beat Hearts at home and play well in the process there may be a glimmer of hope but I am also pretty sure the sheep will fail to damage them.

Has he ever played full back?

He spent too long in the lower leagues. His loyalty or desire to stay at home cost him the chance to develop. Nothing wrong with that but he hasn’t fulfilled promise. Ni way is he captain material for example

Spot on. But there is a certain type of experienced player that should help the development of others. Their heart has to be in it though.

Tav is a murder defender but if we are defending as a team we can offset his weaknesses. I’d give him a new deal but I’m the expectation that there is a lot of room for improvement. When he and candeias are in form we are string down that side of the park. The CHs and defensive midfielders need to understand how to protect that defensive area when they are let loose. They showed a good understanding they could do that on Saturday. I’m not a Windass fan either. He is far too wasteful. If he sorted out his random over optimistic shooting attempts and learned to get goal side more effectively when required he would double his contribution. The big weakness is still left defence, creative midfielder and pace at the back. Hopefully Alves will go along with Pena and Herrera and that should release substantial cash allowing gradual rebuild. We can’t just get rid of an entire team so we need some clever work by Allen and Murty in January.

If you’ve git Messi, Iniesta and Neymar you don’t have to worry about a plan B. If you’ve got an assortment from the haberdashery section of the football basement store then you do neee a plan B.

This Leckie pysh is in the back of Jackson libellous article on morelos packed with drug metaphors. You have to question what their motive is and whether they are acting independently. There is no need to attack this young lad. He has delivered for his club.

90% of them are freelance. It can change quickly. We really need a solution to the impasse between Rangers and the BBC. It’s a disgrace on both sides that this has gone on so long. The BBC has flexibility to fix the problem. It all boils down to McLaughlin and what is perceived as ‘freedom of the press’. They will not tell a reporter to shut up. That is the fact of the matter or they will have industrial action. Solution is simple. Apply even standards when reporting on offensive behaviour. its a problem that afflicts both clubs. KAH, Know Your Place Hun Scum, Rangers effigies, spitting on colours and crests, IRA songbook. Etc etc etc. It’s not as if there isn’t stuff to look for if you are a balanced reporter

21 years old living on the other side of the world and add the pressures of playing for a big club and he’s played nonstop almost all year. He’s doing quite well Pete. Not the finished article by any stretch but far from a diddy. He does a lot of work outside the box. My biggest criticism of him is his first touch rather than his goal scoring ability. It’s actually quite hard to judge some players when they don’t have quality around them and that is certainly true for strikers.

McKay has probably had his chance. I’d rather we took Lewis Morgan off the Tims.

“Which maybe explains why so much of what they did was so bloody brainless.......locked in some sort of sensory deprivation chamber....” Like readers of the Sun or talentless Scottish journalists. Anyone who takes a wage from that rag automatically loses the right to set standards on anybody else.

Thanks Darther that makes sense. I was puzzled by MA saying manager had final say but clearly he doesn’t actually.

I hadn’t realised he was only 26. Best years may be ahead. I don’t rate him as a CH personally as he’s not physical enough or big enough imo. DM worth a try.

Blimey. You’d think they could come up with something a bit fairer than that. And these clubs don’t think they need Rangers ?

Back to the original thread it’s still not clear how a DoF and manager can work together if the manager is entirely responsible for tactics, selection, signings but the DoF is responsible for making sure that aligns with academy, health and well-being statistical analysis and scouting. It could only work if Mark Allen has a vote with the Board on Murty’s signings. Otherwise Murty might sign players which don’t align to the overall philosophies of player development and required mental and physical aspects. Murty must present his requests to the Board and they surely must expect input from Allen? The final say cannot be Murty or we have learned nothing from the years of McCoist, Warburton and Caixinha where we must have blown many tens of millions of pounds and have little quality at the club. For example I would expect that a DoF should have had input into whether we sell a young talent or not. It may not be the only input or final input but I don’t see how it can work otherwise. In some cases the DoF will prevail and in others the manager.

I don’t know how the deal works. Do clubs shown more often get more money?

I admire your loyalty dB but games today and against Ross County, Dundee, Killie at Ibrox and Hamilton show we are sh*t. Killie are a decent team but we weren’t at the races. At least recognise the fact mate.

All the players mentioned are still not good enough to get into this rubbish team apparently. If Niko has played so few minutes then why? If the Mexicans can’t get a game it’s their fault. The manager isn’t deliberately putting out a rubbish team. Less than a week ago these players were having a Xmas party in Newcastle. Jock Wallace would have had them on the dunes of gullane.

That’s the number King gave. £7m pledged in soft loans over the remainder of this season and next. Even if part of this money is t be redirected to the playing squad instead of infrastructure for example the bottom line is that it is coming from director loans not from football or commercial profits and the stated aim of King & co is that the club becomes self sustainable. I don’t know the amounts paid to PC and his team as pay off but unlikely it would be the full value of the remainder of their contracts and I don’t know the structure of the deal being proposed with mcinnes. It’s safe to say we are more or less skint.