ChelseaBoy

I think that is one of the big differences to last year. There is competition for nearly every spot in the team.

Sitting pretty. Hopefully the table will look similar after the Christmas period

Leicester 2-1 United Villa 2-1 Palace Fulham 1-2 So’ton Gunners 1-2 Chelsea City 2-0 Magpies Blades 1-1 Everton Leeds 2-2 Burnley Hammers 2-1 BHA Liverpool 3-0 WBA Wolves 1-1 ‘Spurs

See it out, just see it out

Oh ffs, i've seen some crap defending over the last 2 nights to last a season!

Leeds 2 WHU 1 Wolves 2 Villa 0 Newcastle 2 WBA 2 United 1 City 3 Toffees 0 Chelsea 1 Southampton 3 Sheffield 0 Palace 1 Spurs 1 Fulham 0 scousers 2 Gunners 1 Burnley 1 Leicester 2 Brighton 0

If this is your last comment on this, I wish it was more sensible. They are forced by conformity, peer pressure and pressure from MSM - this is hardly voluntary. Also, following through on your voluntary theme, surely as fans at the game or watching on TV are a captive audience, why should they not be consulted on whether if they want to see this "voluntary gesture" before each game?

Totally agree with this sentiment published today; "To make booing BLM a punishable offence would be to place movements of various kinds above disagreement, criticism and scrutiny. This is wrong, and must be fought against. Freedom of expression must be preserved, for fans as well as for players".

I should clarify, its not productive to the team, but it is productive in getting a dissenting voice noticed. Just look at the shit storm Millwall have faced with all these self appointed experts analysing why they did it and desperately upset that there isn't a legal way to punish these truculent fans. I'm not stuck on booing, despite it being effective. I think turning a back while they are taking a knee would be just as effective.

They are, but tell me the last time the football authorities, MSM or clubs themselves ever take any notice of fans forums?

Could well be!! FC Honka, new one on me

Exactly, how dare people have an alternate view and how dare they express it in a totally legal way. Free speech in the UK, don't make me laugh.

It has everything to do with the working class, and in particular the white working class. Who do you think this virtual signalling is for, the chairman and the board? Millwall FC had to come out with the statement they did as Lewisham council would have had them over the coals and already have plans in progress to build on their ground again. Banners are checked before going into a ground and fans would have been prevented from putting anything up that went against the insane group think of BLM, the virtual signalling that accompanies it and the messaging that bodes no dissent. Did you hear how the usual radio stations put down anyone who chose to have an alternate view on this? They were bullied and made to look small by smug presenters who for the sake of their jobs, toe the line and push back any unwanted questioning or views. Booing may not be productive but i repeat it is often all the fans have.

What political nuances. They are worn to remember the British dead of conflict around the world, primarily the two world wars. Do not confuse poppy wearing with a overtly political organisation like BLM - just don't go there.

I would say that it's the only way working class people with no other route to show their disapproval and it has always been so. I would also argue it's been very effective in raising people from the stupor of mindless participation. As Ghandi once said, “It’s better to walk alone than with a crowd going in the wrong direction.”

Again you miss the point - what other means has working class punters got to show their disapproval? Making pithy banners isn't going to cut it. Really? Maybe said players should educate themselves on the wider aims of BLM. If they then decide that yes, i do support defunding the police, the end to familial life as we know it, the smashing of capitalism and that all white people are inherently racist - then then can kneel all they want and not worry about booing.

Take a look at Millwall's history sometime and you will see that disturbance on the field, off the field and on the terraces has had minimal effect over the last 100 years. If you equate booing by around 500 out of 2k supporters at a match led to Millwall losing the game, then i'm sure the manager will have words with those players. Even the thickest of players should realise people are booing what taking the knee stands for and who it is primarily aimed at not the players themselves.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/09/why-football-fans-are-fed-up-with-taking-the-knee/ Follow up piece to one at the weekend against dumb obedience and covers a lot of the points made in this thread.

Yes exactly. We have seen corporations falling over themselves to be seen to have the right woke credentials such as JP and Sainsburys, Unilever (Ben & Jerrys) all the retail banks etc etc. It just smacks of box ticking and i'm glad this is being challenged by many more people and pieces being written to question the motives of those behind this within the business and sports arenas.

Well it's as good a place as any, though C4, The Guardian or New Statesman could have been quoted

It will have zero influence on a) the match, b) the morale of the players or the long term reputation of the club - i'd suggest that actions of those in the boardrooms at many clubs up and down the country over the years have done much more harm to the clubs than working class fans booing some virtual signalling that the football authorities/MSM/NGOs think they ought to witness.

Exactly, the same at Colchester and West Ham. It is naive to think they were booing the players. How else are working class people to show their dissent? If you don't want them to then don't bring this virtue signalling to football matches. Keep sport clear of religion, politics and even protest unless it's football related and about the club.

It's hardly free Compo, they will try to identify those people and they will take action, as they associate any dissent with racism, even if that was not the intention.

They were not booing the players for being black or black people in general, its the fake symbolism without any challenge and the wider aims that BLM represent. Most of the players don't even know anything about why they are doing it, and this whole conformity of the mindless who challenge nothing must stop as it has in other sports. This is not about the black players and nobody has made it so until your post. Think about why they are continuing to do this in football and why should people in the stand who have paid to just watch a football match without any of the overt political messaging and grandstanding that is going on, again with only minimal challenge about BLM complete agenda.

Well done Millwall fans for showing the elites that football fans have had enough of the virtue signalling nonsense of BLM. Does every cricket or rugby game have the same show of bending a knee? Why on earth are the football authorities continuing with this ridiculous show of wokeness for something that happened in America. Time to pressure them into stopping at every opportunity, though difficult when they control the MSM.