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What's the betting that the sheep semi will be embarrassingly empty while ours will be a sellout.

While I would agree it's not quite up to the level we would like to see after the downer of Sunday I still thought well if that's what's supposed to be (claimed to be) the second best in Scotland we have nothing to fear and top 2 is my minimum expectation for the end of the season. He's right about fine margins and those fine margins could easily have resulted in a hammering being dished out to the sheep because especially so in the first half they weren't in it. We could have been 3 up by halftime if those margins had fallen in our favour. The second half they weren't any better and were still outplayed overall but got the luck of the 'fine margins' right up to and including poor refereeing. The likes of them are about as good as they're going to get while we're already better than they are and I feel will only get better going into the second quarter.

I would absolutely love to see what's in that and what's being said as he flips through it and the parody possibilities flying through my head are numerous. Ideal material for only an excuse.

I have felt that way from the beginning because they are a talented squad and I have felt it even more so in the past 3 matches where they have cranked the performance up a notch to match the levels of last season but aside from QoS just aren't getting the breaks. The performance has become more consistent too and I feel another QoS style hammering is due to handed out. Hopefully to Partick.

Strange thing for either of them to say. How a team can 'dominate' with 40% of the possession fewer shots at goal and half as many corners is a mystery. .

I have seen PNE fans say that Garner is a 'confidence player' and that once he starts netting he will proceed from there to score more. He should have got a header in the net on Saturday but it has to be said that anyone playing up against him is going to know they have been in a game. I can't argue with his determination but he may be a red card liability at times. He's wild.

I don't know if this presumption that Liverpool will slip up against smaller teams any more than any other contender will simply comes from a blip against Burnley that may or may not happen again but Hull certainly didn't benefit from any such tendency. Six games in and they have scored 4 or more in half of them is some going.

There is a bizarre difference in their attitudes to that I see anywhere else, take the US again as an example. Almost everyone comes from somewhere else in the not too distant past and while some may have an 'affinity' or an interest in that origin it doesn't translate into flying foreign flags and claiming an allegiance over and above that of the country they were born in. In fact it's the complete opposite. They have a nationalistic pride and loyalty to their new country that's almost abnormal. They may have annual gala days and stuff like that where they might celebrate these foreign roots but that's simply a cultural gathering there is no suggestion or hint of any allegiance to anything but the land of their birth. Anyone saying he would be fighting for this foreign land against the homeland would be a traitor and throughly mistrusted even despised. Hell Trump would deport the 'sellick' brigade for treason. And i'm guessing anyone flying flags and singing songs in support of terror groups attacking the nation would face a more than hostile response. Shit they go crazy if someone simply doesn't stand for the national anthem. It's headline news.

Enlightening in the sense that it's a possible explanation. I'm in the same boat as you, I don't know if it's true it's simply another possibility but given the obsessive hatred I saw come from them before this match I would automatically doubt anything they had to say on anything at all. How could I ever trust the word of a group so far gone they think 'Durrant dived' is a rational thing to say.

This may be enlightening, a comment on the video.

BBC Sport pundits and commentators debate whether Jurgen Klopp's "electrifying" Liverpool side are genuine title contenders following a third straight Premier League win - an emphatic victory over Hull City on Saturday. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37468237

Well if you look at the photo just above this one with a Rangers fan in it he clearly has a red seat and presuming they are all in the same area there are no yellow seats anywhere near red seats.

It's impossible to say exactly where that came from and anyone suggesting otherwise at this time should be open to litigation. To me what's more interesting and is indisputable is that they're so stupid they post the video and portray it as Rangers fans being hateful then if you look at the actual youtube page it's on it's littered with the racist/sectarian hun label.

I don't know if any goalie could have stopped that bar being standing right in front of it. I think he would need to have been right on the post and off the line to stop that. It clipped the post high up in the postage stamp corner. It couldn't have been any more difficult to stop.

I felt that too. It wasn't just postage stamp it actually hit the woodwork before going in. Give him another dozen tries at that and he couldn't do it again.

I think a major difference between us and them is that I have seen absolutely no one even hint it was anything but poor refereeing. When anything goes against them or hibz too for that matter then it's a conspiracy.

And that's one of the things that makes it all the more bizarre and even sinister to me. That's going beyond 'affinity' when someone will live in these countries and take the benefits of living in these countries then still express an 'antipathy' to these countries while holding a greater loyalty to another. Hell if anybody should have an antipathy towards England for any historical reasons it's Scotland yet we can watch Braveheart and not run off like raving lunatics hating the English.

I agree, they played well and if not for the Tav brainfart and the foul that wasn't a foul at the end of the day the press would have been saying Aberdeen were lucky to get out of it with a draw which illustrates how very lucky they were to get out of it with a win. Both Garner and Waghorn should have scored and surely our bad luck and the good luck of others just can't continue. I still feel some team aside from QoS is going to get a real hammering in the not too distant future.

So where does that end? Most of them have no Irish parents or even Grandparents it's going back a lot further than that. And we're not talking about an affinity we're talking about a loyalty that goes over and above the nation they're born in. We didn't see the same thing during WWII when countless numbers of Americans of Italian descent went to war against Italy. This is a bizarre and to my mind sinister thing which in fact we're also beginning to see the same thing from the Muslim community. They express a loyalty to Islam whatever the hell that is supposed to mean over and above any loyalty to this nation they were born and grew up in. It appears to translate into taking sides against this nation if this nation has any issue with Muslims anywhere in the world. Should I be doing that for Protestants anywhere in the world? Am I a very bad and disloyal Protestant because I don't?

Look at it from our side too through the lens of another place in South Lanarkshire namely Larkhall. Church attendance there is no higher than it is anywhere else in Scotland, these people aren't religious. Yet I remember an incident from 20 years or so ago where a cable company had been erecting steel boxes containing the equipment which were and probably still are a standard utility green everywhere in the world they put them simply because this green paint was extremely hard wearing. That didn't work out in Larkhall, the boxes were being constantly vandalised so Larkhall became the only place in the world the company painted the boxes grey.

I have an Irish Catholic Grandfather on my fathers side and feel absolutely no affinity whatsoever to Ireland and don't grasp why anybody who wasn't born there and most probably never even been there would. If that's where their affinity lies I have no idea why they're in Scotland and not there. It's not as if it's far away or something it's a short ferry ride away and if I felt that way about it that's where I would be.

Willie MIller is right, we were all over them and it should have been buried by halftime. It's all the more frustrating that the defence aside from the massive lapse by Tav at start of the second half have started to look competent and it's now the front line misfiring. Waghorn missed what amounted to an open goal and so did Garner albeit his was with a header.

I don't think for a moment you're being 'arsey' so don't worry about that. Religion hasn't been a big thing as such in Scotland or Britain as a whole for that matter in decades. Last I heard barely 6% of the population ever attend any type of Church services outside maybe a wedding so if you're talking about people having disagreements over any religious tenets that's not an issue. They're not religious. The problem is in Scotland as in Northern Ireland it's evolved into a state more like tribalism where the 'adherents' for want of a better word despite not being the least bit religious still partake in a 'them and us' mentality possibly largely due to the British/Irish thing which though it once had a more religious element doesn't so much anymore but still exists at the same intensity in a different manner. I remember my first job which was in a steel mill in Motherwell way back in the 1970's and working beside a young guy in there who would say things like if Scotland and Ireland went to war I would be fighting with Ireland. And that despite the fact he had been born in Scotland and had lived there all his life. That's got nothing to do with football and that mentality is still every bit as evident as it was then. Any football element is simply another avenue for them to express that mentality. That's not going away anytime soon even if religion disappeared entirely. And incidentally where in Scotland are you from? I came from South Lanarkshire which has always been a hotbed of sectarian bile.

Well I would argue that the majority of people in Scotland probably did know about Rangers playing up there yesterday but let's presume they didn't. Do you realise the majority of people in Germany were not Nazis and that barely one third ever voted for them? And state of the nation? Yes it IS a sick nation riddled with this type of sectarianism to the the extent they're creating unique laws around it that exist nowhere else on the island. In addition there are countless numbers who never watch football but rather label themselves a fan simply because it's part of the sectarian background to do so. I see what a sick society it is all the more since I left it almost 5 years ago now and think you're being naive if you imagine this some minor issue being created by some tiny minority. It's such a sick society it's an embarrassment to me when Americans who have gone there mention the sectarianism that's all around and becomes known even to visitors who are only there for a couple of weeks. You think the troubles of Northern Ireland were down to some minority? The undercurrent there is absolutely no different to that which exists in Scotland and it's become worse not better in recent times. I would probably never live there again after having a time away from it which gives you a better perspective on how sick it truly is and getting back to Mark Warburton having to live in this sick society which he didn't grow up in it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he left at the first opportunity.

I suspect some of these grunts weren't even born at the time and have never seen what happened. There also seems to be a mentality that the more of a total idiot you demonstrate yourself to be then the better that is somehow. Again here we have Durrant, 'diving' and tearing his knee to shreds in the process. The raised boot about to come crashing down on his leg apparently has nothing whatsoever to with it if you're a simple minded weirdo.