pete

It was a severe blow and i think he is another manager walking on quick sand.

He was at full stretch but he was a little far off his line. If he was on his line he would have saved it.

I aree when i have seen Brown it has been more attacking than holding. I am sure he has scored quite a few this year from the midfield.

To be honest saturday was the first time i have seen him flapping but living abroad i don't see many live games, does he do that often or was saturday the exeption.

Newcastle impress Chelsea progress. A brilliant shot from Martins hit the bar and imo crossed the line but was not given. The one and only Drogba scored with a brilliant shot from a freekick bending it to the far post. Newcastle were better over the 90 in a poor game but Chelsea got the goal as happens so often.

The guy has turned down offers from nearly all the top teams to stay where his heart lies, it would be mad for him to leave Livorno now for any team.

He say's he is proud to be the Rangers manager, surely he can see that a local guy is not only proud to play for Rangers but to also be captain. To be honest we are seeing an improvement and in my opinion playing better football than last year but we are far from the finnished article.

Hibernian duo Scott Brown and Kevin Thomson are unhappy at the club's decision to reject an offer from Charlton. Charlton tabled a �£3million bid for the midfield duo earlier this week, but Hibs turned the English club's offer down flat. Brown and Thomson are both looking to sign new improved deals at Easter Road, but they have been told the club will not meet their demands. The two players' agent Willie McKay revealed the duo were unhappy with Hibs' stance as they would both be willing to extend their stay at the Edinburgh club. McKay admitted he was still surprised that Hibs chairman Rod Petrie was constantly ignoring his calls to meet and discuss Brown's and Thomson's situation "The boys are bitterly disappointed," McKay told skysports.com. "Hibs knocked back the chance for both players to sign new improved deals. "The players are in no rush to leave Hibs, but they must give them what they are worth. "They cannot reject a �£3million bid for both players and then refuse to pay them wages worthy of players in that price range. "I've repeatedly been asking Rod Petrie to sit down with me and discuss the matter, but so far he has refused to meet me and the players are confused as to why the club will not do this."

Frig'n hell 3 red cards is that a record?

Sorry get the Chinese chappy on the british made Raleigh driving the taiwanese generator running Gribz's japanese samsung laptop to pedal faster.

HEARTS FANS TURN ON ROMANOV Posted 20/12/06 17:24 EmailPrintSave Frustrated Hearts fans have launched a scathing attack on majority shareholder Vladimir Romanov - accusing him of turning the Edinburgh club into a "circus freak show". The Heart of Midlothian Supporters' Trust posted an open letter to the Lithuanian businessman on their website, criticising his leadership over the last two seasons. Romanov has rarely been out of the news since his arrival at the club two years ago. The 58-year-old banker was recently embroiled in more controversy when former captain Steven Pressley, flanked by Paul Hartley and Craig Gordon, revealed there was "significant unrest" in the Tynecastle dressing room. The players were called to disciplinary meetings individually, which in Pressley's case resulted in the Scotland defender being released from his contract. The sanctions imposed on Hartley and Gordon remain undisclosed, although Scotland midfielder Hartley was left on the bench for the Bank of Scotland Premier League defeat by Aberdeen at Tynecastle at the weekend. The Trust claimed that Romanov's good work at the club, such as guiding Hearts to their Tennent's Scottish Cup final victory over Gretna last season as well as securing Champions League qualification for the first time, has been undone by his recent actions. The letter said: "We have gone from being the best thing in Scottish football for decades to being a laughing stock. "People talk about us but rarely about the football. "What we see now is constant interference, the public humiliation of some of our greatest players and a businessman who seems to see our club as a vanity project. "And it is our club. We are the people who are now being mocked at work because of your antics. "We are the people who believe our club has lost its self respect. "And that is a real crime. "We may not have won many trophies over the years, but we have been respected. "We are an important sporting institution and you have turned us into a circus freak show. "As a result, we have lost our respect for you." The Trust also criticised Romanov for the way he acted towards Pressley. "The way you treated Steven Pressley was, for many of us, the last straw," the letter stated. "We know him well enough to know that if he thought it was in the best interests of the club to criticise, then there must have been real problems. "You may have brought money to the club but Elvis (Pressley) has shown not only great class as a footballer but real integrity. "Your response to being challenged seems to have been the response of the playground bully. "It now seems that you and the board do not care about results on the pitch. "The farce we have just endured of having a central defender play in midfield against Aberdeen with Paul Hartley on the bench, demonstrates that you do not even respect the fans any more. "Surely the first most important task is to put the best team on the park. "To do anything other demeans you, the club, the players, the opposition, the competition and the supporters." I know Murray is no saint and has also used Rangers for his own gain but he has not turned us into a "circus freak show". If this guy had taken over Rangers my heart would be breaking at this moment.(excuse the pun)

Charlton boss Les Reed has launched a late bid to hijack former Hearts skipper Stephen Pressley's move to Celtic, and put in a �£3m joint offer for Hibernian midfielders Kevin Thomson and Scott Brown...Manchester City are planning a swoop for Heerenveen's Brazilian striker Afonso Alves. Alves is a player i would love to see Rangers going for. He is fast, strong and can shoot from outside the box. He is top-scorer in Holland at the moment. I believe he is also only 24.

The first part with Chick young is exellent. Strachen was eating love hearts when CY interviewed him after the game.

KRIS BOYD could hand Rangers a festive filip by returning to the Ibrox strike-force sooner than expected. The prolific striker damaged his ankle in the 1-0 defeat at Falkirk on December 3 after a dreadful tackle from defender Kenny Milne. A scan showed ligament damage and the diagnosis from the Ibrox medical team was that Boyd would be out until the New Year, with the third round Scottish Cup tie at Dunfermline on January 7 his likely target. But Boyd has been getting intensive treatment at Murray Park after missing the matches against Hibs, Partizan Belgrade and Celtic. continued... And, while he will be guided by the Rangers medical staff's expertise on when he should return, the 23-year-old could be back before the year is out. That would be a massive boost for boss Paul Le Guen, with his team facing a testing schedule of four games in 10 days, starting with Saturday's high noon showdown at Aberdeen. Asked if he could be back sooner than expected, Boyd said: "I'm getting treatment all the time and we'll see what happens. I have to wait and see what the physio say in terms of timescale. I have to go with them. "Obviously it's very frustrating to be out injured and missing big games, but we'll see what the week brings." Boyd knew immediately that he was in bother when Milne clattered into him from behind at the Falkirk Stadium. He tried to play on, but quickly succumbed to the pain as he tried to run, and when he left the stadium on crutches after the final whistle it was clear there was a problem. But the former Killie hitman is a quick healer. He admitted: "I tried to get up and play on after the tackle came in, but I couldn't put any weight on it. "Of course it's a blow. But it's part and parcel of the game and every player goes through injuries and has to cope. "It's the downside of the game for a player, but you must look to work hard and get back to the good side, which is playing, as quickly as possible. "I've been fairly fortunate with injuries. Since coming to Rangers the only time I've been out was for the first game of the season at Motherwell which was due to suspension. "So sitting in the stand for big games like Hibs, the Uefa Cup match and Celtic has been frustrating. But you need to get on with it." Boyd, who has scored 30 goals in 32 starts since arriving from Rugby Park almost a year ago, no doubt kicked every ball at the weekend as Rangers fluffed decent chances against Celtic in the Old Firm clash that finished 1-1. There are no certainties in this game. But the Ibrox legions, who have tried to back and inspire �£1.8million signing Filip Sebo all season as he goes through a lean time, would definitely have preferred Boyd to be one-on-one with Arthur Boruc in injury time rather than the Slovak, who drove his effort straight at the Pole. Whether Boyd would have made the difference on Sunday is up for debate, but he would have loved to be out there looking for his first goal against Celtic. As it was, his team-mates at least put up a show packed with pride and desire which, on another day, may well have carried them to the victory they wanted so badly. "We know it has been a disappointing season, but the last few performances have been good and we need to look to the future," said the Scotland man, who has bagged 11 goals in Light Blue this term. "It's about carrying on and trying to string together wins. We have to focus on the league with the Uefa Cup issue to one side now." Many theories have been offered on what's gone wrong at Rangers in the first half of the season under Le Guen. So much was expected of the former Lyon manager, but the league table makes painful reading with just nine wins at the 19- game halfway stage. There was also the terrible CIS Insurance Cup exit to St Johnstone which further damaged the confidence. "It's easy to say this and that about what's happened," says Boyd. "But we seemed to have been winning two and three games in a row and then dropping points at places like Falkirk, which just shouldn't happen with all respect. "But it has, and now we need to look forward. It's so important for us to try and keep the confidence growing and that does come through winning matches. "The more good results we get the better the team will come on and we must keep fighting in the SPL. It's going to be hard to close such a big gap but no-one will give up." Publication date 20/12/06

I agree to an extent that i don't think Celtic had to win which can cost you, uncontiously, that extra 10% in tackles. They were missing big Vinegar who could be a nightmare for us at deadball situations but in the second half they hardly got the ball in our half. I admit for a new guy who does not know the ropes the welcome was a bit harsh but i think if you stick around you will find that most if not all is meant as tongue in cheek humour. No matter what, your opinion was in order and a good debating point. Welcome mate.

Finished 1-0 for Wycombe, Charlton never had a chance that i can remember. A team lacking in serious confidence. The new manager technique has probably made them get even worse. I think they would have been better keeping Dowie than a guy that knows the theory but has never managed for real.

Evening Times: click here to return to our homepage Uefa bid to end safety fears for Gers UEFA will demand safety guarantees from Israel before sanctioning Rangers' Euro clash against Hapoel in Tel Aviv. The governing body confirmed they are aware of a shocking incident during Sunday's Hapoel v Beitar Jerusalem league game. Hapoel skipper Yossi Abuksis was injured by a stun grenade - thrown from among his own fans at the Bloomfield Stadium - as he prepared to take a penalty. He was stretchered off, but returned after a delay to score the spot kick in a 1-1 draw. Rangers are scheduled to play the first leg of their last 32 Uefa Cup tie in that stadium on February 14. Uefa say they are constantly monitoring the situation in Israel, where a Euro ban was lifted on September 15. And they warn that if there are any risks to Rangers, the ban could instantly be reinstated. They are aware of the concerns regarding a high-profile British team going to Tel Aviv. A Uefa spokesman said today: "We lifted the ban on European matches in Israel in September. "But security guarantees are required for every game. And Uefa may again impose a ban if it considers there has been a deterioration in the security situation. "We are in constant contact with the Israeli government and the local authorities in Tel Aviv. Games are only played there if the situation makes it possible." Rangers Head of Safety, Laurence McIntyre, will fly to Israel early in the New Year for talks with local police and British consul staff, as well as Rangers' ticket allocation for the 15,000 capacity stadium. "Laurence is aware of the incident at the weekend," said a Rangers spokesman. "He will visit Israel early in the new year to discuss the arrangements with the local police and the consul." The Foreign Office advises British nationals against travelling to "parts of Israel" but Tel Aviv is not a no-go area. However, they have refused to downgrade their warnings. Rangers were fined �£5000 after a protester invaded the pitch at last month's Uefa Cup tie against Maccabi Haifa, which highlights potential problems. Five years ago, Rangers came close to being thrown out of the Uefa Cup after they refused to follow Uefa's instructions to play Russian side Anzhi Makhachkala, who were based in war-torn Dagestan. In 2001, six Chelsea players refused to play against Hapoel in Tel Aviv over safety fears. UEFA will demand safety guarantees from Israel before sanctioning Rangers' Euro clash against Hapoel in Tel Aviv. The governing body confirmed they are aware of a shocking incident during Sunday's Hapoel v Beitar Jerusalem league game. Hapoel skipper Yossi Abuksis was injured by a stun grenade - thrown from among his own fans at the Bloomfield Stadium - as he prepared to take a penalty. He was stretchered off, but returned after a delay to score the spot kick in a 1-1 draw. Rangers are scheduled to play the first leg of their last 32 Uefa Cup tie in that stadium on February 14. Uefa say they are constantly monitoring the situation in Israel, where a Euro ban was lifted on September 15. And they warn that if there are any risks to Rangers, the ban could instantly be reinstated. They are aware of the concerns regarding a high-profile British team going to Tel Aviv. A Uefa spokesman said today: "We lifted the ban on European matches in Israel in September. "But security guarantees are required for every game. And Uefa may again impose a ban if it considers there has been a deterioration in the security situation. "We are in constant contact with the Israeli government and the local authorities in Tel Aviv. Games are only played there if the situation makes it possible." Rangers Head of Safety, Laurence McIntyre, will fly to Israel early in the New Year for talks with local police and British consul staff, as well as Rangers' ticket allocation for the 15,000 capacity stadium. "Laurence is aware of the incident at the weekend," said a Rangers spokesman. "He will visit Israel early in the new year to discuss the arrangements with the local police and the consul." The Foreign Office advises British nationals against travelling to "parts of Israel" but Tel Aviv is not a no-go area. However, they have refused to downgrade their warnings. Rangers were fined �£5000 after a protester invaded the pitch at last month's Uefa Cup tie against Maccabi Haifa, which highlights potential problems. Five years ago, Rangers came close to being thrown out of the Uefa Cup after they refused to follow Uefa's instructions to play Russian side Anzhi Makhachkala, who were based in war-torn Dagestan. In 2001, six Chelsea players refused to play against Hapoel in Tel Aviv over safety fears. UEFA will demand safety guarantees from Israel before sanctioning Rangers' Euro clash against Hapoel in Tel Aviv. The governing body confirmed they are aware of a shocking incident during Sunday's Hapoel v Beitar Jerusalem league game. Hapoel skipper Yossi Abuksis was injured by a stun grenade - thrown from among his own fans at the Bloomfield Stadium - as he prepared to take a penalty. He was stretchered off, but returned after a delay to score the spot kick in a 1-1 draw. Rangers are scheduled to play the first leg of their last 32 Uefa Cup tie in that stadium on February 14. Uefa say they are constantly monitoring the situation in Israel, where a Euro ban was lifted on September 15. And they warn that if there are any risks to Rangers, the ban could instantly be reinstated. They are aware of the concerns regarding a high-profile British team going to Tel Aviv. A Uefa spokesman said today: "We lifted the ban on European matches in Israel in September. "But security guarantees are required for every game. And Uefa may again impose a ban if it considers there has been a deterioration in the security situation. "We are in constant contact with the Israeli government and the local authorities in Tel Aviv. Games are only played there if the situation makes it possible." Rangers Head of Safety, Laurence McIntyre, will fly to Israel early in the New Year for talks with local police and British consul staff, as well as Rangers' ticket allocation for the 15,000 capacity stadium. "Laurence is aware of the incident at the weekend," said a Rangers spokesman. "He will visit Israel early in the new year to discuss the arrangements with the local police and the consul." The Foreign Office advises British nationals against travelling to "parts of Israel" but Tel Aviv is not a no-go area. However, they have refused to downgrade their warnings. Rangers were fined �£5000 after a protester invaded the pitch at last month's Uefa Cup tie against Maccabi Haifa, which highlights potential problems. Five years ago, Rangers came close to being thrown out of the Uefa Cup after they refused to follow Uefa's instructions to play Russian side Anzhi Makhachkala, who were based in war-torn Dagestan. In 2001, six Chelsea players refused to play against Hapoel in Tel Aviv over safety fears. UEFA will demand safety guarantees from Israel before sanctioning Rangers' Euro clash against Hapoel in Tel Aviv. The governing body confirmed they are aware of a shocking incident during Sunday's Hapoel v Beitar Jerusalem league game. Hapoel skipper Yossi Abuksis was injured by a stun grenade - thrown from among his own fans at the Bloomfield Stadium - as he prepared to take a penalty. He was stretchered off, but returned after a delay to score the spot kick in a 1-1 draw. Rangers are scheduled to play the first leg of their last 32 Uefa Cup tie in that stadium on February 14. Uefa say they are constantly monitoring the situation in Israel, where a Euro ban was lifted on September 15. And they warn that if there are any risks to Rangers, the ban could instantly be reinstated. They are aware of the concerns regarding a high-profile British team going to Tel Aviv. A Uefa spokesman said today: "We lifted the ban on European matches in Israel in September. "But security guarantees are required for every game. And Uefa may again impose a ban if it considers there has been a deterioration in the security situation. "We are in constant contact with the Israeli government and the local authorities in Tel Aviv. Games are only played there if the situation makes it possible." Rangers Head of Safety, Laurence McIntyre, will fly to Israel early in the New Year for talks with local police and British consul staff, as well as Rangers' ticket allocation for the 15,000 capacity stadium. "Laurence is aware of the incident at the weekend," said a Rangers spokesman. "He will visit Israel early in the new year to discuss the arrangements with the local police and the consul." The Foreign Office advises British nationals against travelling to "parts of Israel" but Tel Aviv is not a no-go area. However, they have refused to downgrade their warnings. Rangers were fined �£5000 after a protester invaded the pitch at last month's Uefa Cup tie against Maccabi Haifa, which highlights potential problems. Five years ago, Rangers came close to being thrown out of the Uefa Cup after they refused to follow Uefa's instructions to play Russian side Anzhi Makhachkala, who were based in war-torn Dagestan. In 2001, six Chelsea players refused to play against Hapoel in Tel Aviv over safety fears. And we get fined for singing a stupid song. What will they get for throwing bombs. Until now: Rangers supporter on field ---------------5000pounds Rangers singing songs and wrecking Bus-- 20.000pounds(?) Feyenoord wrecking town in France-------80.000pounds Tel aviv bomb throwing-------------------?????????

Even if he does it will just make it 4-1 for us.

Maybe if you PM Stuart or Frankie they can help you as i believe they know how to contact the moderators.

Referee Kenny Clark admits he was wrong to deny Celtic a penalty during Sunday's Old Firm derby. The official ignored the pleas for a spot-kick when Neil Lennon was fouled in the box by Rangers full-back Steven Smith. Celtic were leading at the time through a Thomas Gravesen goal but were held to a 1-1 draw when Brahim Hemdani netted for Rangers with three minutes to go. Lennon and Hoops boss Gordon Strachan were both fuming about the penalty incident after the game, which could have allowed them to win the match and extend their SPL lead over Rangers to 19 points. After watching the incident again on television, Clark admits he called it wrong. Speaking on the Whistleblower section of the Scottish Football Association's website, he said: "I got the opportunity to watch the incident for the first time last evening (Monday) and, yes, it should have been a penalty kick. "In penalty area situations a referee tries to take up the best position possible and, as play developed from the left, I moved with it and thought I was well-placed. "From the angle I had at the time, I saw the challenge but obviously didn't think there had been an infringement. "Having now had the benefit of seeing the incident from various camera angles, there certainly was contact." The SFA's head of referee development Donald McVicar also admits Clark made the wrong decision. But he insists the incident should not overshadow the referee's otherwise impressive handling of a potentially explosive fixture. He said: "It's a pity that the debate is all about one decision because Kenny handled the game extremely well and contributed to what was an excellent advert for Scottish football. "He used all his experience to manage and control one of the most passionate fixtures in football and got the balance right." Good to see a ref admit he was wrong. It was even better he got it wrong. I hope he dosn't try to right the wrong in the next OF game though.

Get the wee chinky peddling on the generator to peddle faster Gribz.

I wondered what happened i put the telly on to watch it and got Charlton - Wycombe.

1-0 Wycombe:eek: Another manager in danger?

McGregor still has a possitive account at the moment but if he makes many more mistakes like that one on sunday i am afraid it will be time to put him into liquidation. Klos was always hopeless with high crosses as well but the difference is he would have stayed on his line and possibly saved the shot.

Sportscene was the same on saturday with Patrick Franciscus(?) Nevin and Desmond whoever hewasTim. How can you ask these guy's for a neutral take on an old firm game. The media these days looks like a KGB of gloating tims.