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  1. Sunday Jul 2017 Posted by Eliot Ness in Uncategorized In the autumn of 2010, Rangers embarked on what turned out to be a respectable Champions’ League campaign, taking points off Manchester Utd and Valencia before finishing third and dropping into the Europa League. The run ended in mid march against Dutch cracks PSV, but a Scottish club still competing in Europe at this stage in the season was a reasonable effort. (It very seldom happens) Roll on 20 months, and Rangers had swapped Champions’ League games at the Mestalla, for Scottish league games at Montrose. This was where EBT’s and the ‘Big Tax Case’ took the club. Having followed what was ultimately flawed legal advice, the club suffered a remarkable fall from grace in a very short space of time. Make no mistake, using the Employee Benefit Trust scheme cost Rangers big time. Literally. HMRC’s pursuit of the club scared off potential buyers, and resulted in Lloyds Bank forcing Murray to sell to Craig Whyte-the man who put the club into administration then liquidation, for failing to pay PAYE, and a lot of other people. The club were fined by the footballing authorities for Whyte’s misdemeanours – bringing the game into disrepute – then fined again for the way it documented EBT payments – we will come back to this. Rangers were vilified by clubs, fans and media hacks alike. Prize monies and appearance funds for international players were withheld, the club were sent to the bottom league in the country, losing sponsorship, corporate, retail and European revenues in the process, as well as their Premiership winning squad and associated transfer fees worth tens of millions. All in all, using this EBT scheme probably cost Rangers up to 100 million pounds. (According to Celtic CEO Peter Lawwell, Rangers’ absence from the top flight cost his own club 10 million a year). To compound the fans misery, Rangers were then subject to a string of rapacious wolves who stripped the club to the bone. Astonishing as it may seem, this still isn’t enough in parochial Scotland. This week, after losing the first two cases against Rangers, HMRC finally won at the Supreme Court. The EBT scheme was deemed taxable. Despite suffering the not inconsiderable consequences of adopting this scheme as previously stated, witch hunts are back in vogue. Some clubs, namely Celtic, and fans, namely Celtic, along with Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, want Rangers punished further. (That Aberdeen avoided a relegation play off on a technicality, and Dundee Utd’s most successful period happened at a time when they were adopting what ultimately proved to be unlawful contracts is neither here nor there….them’s the breaks eh.) The Lord Nimmo Smith Inquiry, set up by the football authorities to investigate the club’s use of EBT’s, found Rangers had gained no sporting advantage by operating the system. As previously stated however, the club were fined – £250,000 – for the way the scheme was processed. The LNS conclusion is binding, regardless of subsequent appeals by HMRC, as conceded by lawyers representing the SPL at the time. The late lawyer Paul McConville quoted: “Mr McKenzie (SPL Lawyer) stated expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. A damning verdict at any appeal, if there ever was such an outcome, would not affect this case. The SPL has decided, even though an appeal is pending, to stick with what is present at this point. The verdict is binding on the SPL. They appear to have very little or no chance of appealing and even less willingness to do so. A favourable verdict in the Upper will be as naught. They have conceded that point.” So now the main grievance is this: They used players they never paid for – due to creditors being left out of pocket. This is where the double standards kick in, particularly in some sections of the media, who should-and probably do- know better. Indeed, those self righteous moral custodians of our game, the Handwringers with Laptops Society, est. circa 2012, are back in action. The fingers are in full vigour. Handwringers Reunited is all the rage, yet their moral hypocrisy is staggering. A cursory glance at some of the main protagonists who’ve returned from sabbaticals en masse highlights some glaring contradictions. On the tax case, Jim Spence of BBC Sportsound ‘fame’ referred to ‘proceeds of crime’ on twitter. No crime has been alleged, no one has been charged, never mind convicted. It is ludicrous. If Mr Spence wants to comment on crime, maybe he should give his attention to the bank part-owned by Celtic’s biggest shareholder, Dermot Desmond. The bank has just received a record fine for ties to crime – for facilitating industrial-scale tax evasion. A court in Paris told Latvian-based Rietumu Banka to pay the equivalent of its annual profits – about £70 million – for its part in a vast scheme to help businesses and individuals defraud the state of up to 10 times as much revenue. The French court declared that at least €200m of unpaid tax had been laundered through the bank. Prosecutors had said the figure could be up to €850m. Ironically Desmond, who’s betting company BETDAQ have been described as a ‘rogue operator’, was also named in the Panama Papers. (Always keen to fly a flag for ‘social justice cause of the week’, Celtic fans didn’t seem to mind where the money was coming from when millions were fronted up to bring high profile manager Brendan Rodgers to Celtic Park.) When Aberdeen’s substantial debt was written off by creditors, Mr Spence described this as a ‘wonderful day for Scottish football’- it was ‘wonderful’ that players were used in matches the club couldn’t afford and never paid for? Likewise for Hearts, Dunfermline, Motherwell, Dundee…but now it was Tumbleweed Alley. No clamour to declare matches null and void with any of these teams. Creditors? Who cares. Standards only apply to Rangers, you see. Graham Speirs is also a thing again. When it comes to hypocrites, no one revels more in acting out the virtuous role than Graham, particularly on all matters Rangers. When working for The Herald, Speirs wrote an unsubstantiated slanderous piece on the Rangers board, was correctly forced to apologise by his employers, then retracted said apology, leaving the paper no alternative. Speirs would rather be sacked as a martyr than be accountable to a club he has loathed ever since he was let loose on a typewriter. Such is Speirs well documented contempt for the club, even it’s Minister doesn’t escape this Christian’s wrath. Like Spence, Speirs is selective when applying moral codes to football clubs. An extremely harrowing documentary featured claims that some clubs appeared to put reputation before the well-being of youngsters, and even justice itself. Mr Speirs, not normally shy on social comment, didn’t have much to say about this scandal. His ‘integrity’ radar doesn’t go beyond Govan it seems. I mention this not in some warped point scoring exercise, but solely to highlight the duplicity of people like Speirs, who make a career out of demonising Rangers, and their ‘sub species’ fans, but go silent on the questionable actions of others. When Hibernian supporters invaded a park, goaded Rangers fans, incited a riot, abused kicked and spat on Rangers players trying to leave the pitch, Speirs was of the mind no action should be taken against Hibs for this ‘exuberance’ as Rod Petrie, their Chairman and SFA Vice President scandalously called it. He is not so reticent on Rangers and the contrast is stark. Always first to sink the boot into club and it’s fans for offensive singing, Mr Speirs needs dragged kicking and screaming to his twitter account when others do likewise. Indeed, when Celtic fans campaigned in protest against the offensive behaviour at football act, and got an IRA song into the charts, Speirs was silent. (He doesn’t class IRA songs as sectarian anyway, though it has to be said, if lining up a van full of textile workers and shooting the Protestants isn’t sectarian, I don’t know what is #Kingsmill ) This brings us onto another ‘friend’ of Rangers. Channel 4’s Alex Thompson is also back by popular demand. This guy actually referred to Gers fans a daleks –a random quote that fans interpreted as mocking those who perished in the Ibrox disaster. ‘Discuss’… Thompson is a typical left leaning journalist of the liberal establishment that gets all misty eyed and sympathetic to Irish republicanism. (Forget the human remains being shovelled into body bags…) It just so happens, Rangers are a club with a large unionist support and tradition. Now I’m not saying this is a factor for Tommo’s obsession with this tax thing, and I’m positive he is building up a ‘cheats’ dossier this very moment on the plethora of English clubs who also adopted the EBT system… It is worth noting, after the first 2 hearings which went in the club’s favour, it seemed they had been liquidated and sent to the bottom league in Scotland for a tax bill that never existed. There was no cry then from #hacksforjustice in calling for retrospective compensation when it looked like the club had been seriously wronged. Curiously, those who fell silent then have dusted down the pitchforks. Not everyone is firing up the torches however, a more objective view, an oasis of sanity if you like, can be found in the piece by Michael Grant- https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/use-of-ebts-was-not-illegal-but-it-finally-broke-rangers-hkngr7xfc The club, thanks to David Murray, have already borne the brunt of his EBT folly. It has taken its porridge so to speak. As for the other clubs and fans, their faux concern for the creditors was shown for the myth it was when the other SPL clubs, rather than give Gers’ prize money to the face painters and taxi firms fleeced by the aforementioned Mr Whyte, gobbled up the cash like a pack of hyenas. Indeed, the man who deliberately with held PAYE costing the taxpayer millions, is lauded a hero by opposition fans. This sums up the whole sorry business. This faux outrage is not about justice for the taxpayer, or a sense of fair play, this is about the loathing of a club, and is vindictiveness driven by a mixture of envy, bigotry and personal hostility. Angela Haggerty, a well known Celtic fan, is never slow to champion the plight of the many small businesses left out of pocket by Whyte. Strange then that Ms Haggerty was gleefully tweeting the Celtic fans’ reverence for Craig Whyte-as heard during the old firm league cup semi in 2015. (If Messi kicks a ball at Parkhead again, will these self proclaimed champions of the public purse be on his case?..) A small but vocal minority seem determined to keep the game in their blinkered past. BBC Scotland’s Chris McLaughlin tweeted a poll of SPFL clubs and only one wanted the case revisited. Most folk in Scottish football, and those who write about it, will be more concerned about the state the game is currently in, both at national and club level. Witch hunts, reversing legal findings, applying dubious moral codes to say the least, and ignoring the punishments and consequences already inflicted on Rangers, will do nothing to improve our game. Scotland’s third best team losing to a mid table side from Luxembourg –a country you could carpet, with underlay-for under 75 quid as Danny Baker scoffs, is a humiliation which highlights the paucity of quality in our national sport. It is lamentable. Capitulating to the mob and hating itself to death will do nothing to halt the decline. Enough already. https://respect524.wordpress.com/2017/07/09/handwringers-reunited/
  2. https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/gordon-smiths-open-letter-to-dave-king-rangers-fans-need-answers-on-pedro-caixinha-not-just-ebts/ It is from the Sunday Post he writes for them.
  3. I got it from FF and there was no link so I have no idea where it came from.
  4. Dick Advocaat had the problem of coming up against one of the greatest football brains in the world, Wim Jansen. Even today in Holland he is still classed as one of the most knowledgeable people in football
  5. Gordon Smith open letter to Dave King DEAR Dave, THERE has been a lot of blame apportioned in the wake of Rangers’ loss to Progres Niederkorn. Quite rightly, in my opinion. So why haven’t you, as chairman, addressed what has to be the worst result in the club’s 145-year history? Going out of Europe to Luxembourg’s fourth-best team – a bunch of part–timers, let’s not forget – was embarrassing for Rangers, and for Scottish football. For the players and coaches involved in the 2-1 aggregate loss, it was, frankly, a humiliation. The fans are demanding answers. But rather than address the Europa League exit, you chose on Friday to release a statement around the loss of the so-called ‘Big Tax Case’. Your stout defence of the club got many fans back onside, but it seemed to me a bit of a smokescreen for the more pressing matter of where Rangers are here and now on the pitch. Last Tuesday night, a team chosen and given tactics by your manager, containing players that have cost millions to bring to Glasgow, failed spectacularly. I’m sure you’ll have seen the photographs of Pedro Caixinha, standing in a bush and arguing with fans outside the stadium after the match. That simply poured oil on troubled waters and I wonder if you think that is the way a Rangers manager should behave? The media, both social and traditional, has been full of reaction as fans have angrily demanded answers. The news the following day that HM Revenue and Customs had won their appeal added to the sense of your club being in crisis. Sir David Murray – a predecessor of yours as chairman, but who severed all ties with the club six years ago – took his place in the firing line, alongside Pedro and new signings such as Dalcio, Daniel Candeias and Alfredo Morelos. Do you agree with me that it was a good day for bad news? There had been talk of the manager being sacked – a decision you would have to take – and of effectively starting the season again from fresh. So far, though, that hasn’t happened. I haven’t seen you, in your position as club chairman, take much in the way of flak. But I’d warn you that situation will change, and change dramatically, should the manager fail to turn things round – and quickly. I criticised Pedro’s tactics in my Sunday Post column in the wake of the 5-1 loss to Celtic at the end of April. The fact it had been the Hoops’ biggest victory at Ibrox ever meant there was plenty of material to work with. What was so hard to understand was how Pedro could have allowed it to happen so soon after watching his team go down 2-0 to Brendan Rodgers’ men in the Scottish Cup semi-final six days earlier. Why the lessons of that defeat weren’t learned was hard to fathom. For me, the way the Rangers side was laid out for the second game actually gave them less chance of success than they had in the cup tie. Astonishing. It allowed Celtic to play to their strengths and in the end the scoreline could have been even more emphatic than 5-1. Yes, the opposition are a quality side, and their achievement in going through the domestic season undefeated was remarkable. Nevertheless to lose to your rivals at home and in such a fashion was an embarrassment. Still, you decided to stick by Pedro. But defeat against Progres Niederkorn was a second shocking defeat for him in little more than two months. That being the case, why didn’t you sack him on Wednesday morning, which is what many fans were calling for? You haven’t answered that question in public, and fans could soon end up delivering their criticism at your door. I can see possible reasons for your inaction. Perhaps the manager couldn’t go because you have invested so much in his appointment? You and your Board have given him millions of pounds to spend which he has used to bring in nine new players. That is far more than you gave Pedro’s predecessor, Mark Warburton, to work with. He has been able to bring in his choice of assistants and given his head in terms of the environment under which they all work together. If all that faith proves misplaced, fans are going to blame the men who made the appointment in the first place. We all know the choice of Pedro wasn’t your decision, but that of the three-man recruitment panel – Stewart Robertson, Graeme Park and Andrew Dickson. All boast strong reputations in business terms – but I am not entirely sure as to where they have football qualifications to make such an important decision. In the modern game, we all know other factors come into play. With a huge number of season tickets to be shifted, there is pressure to go for an appointment which will excite supporters and drive sales. But if Pedro is a failure, the buck will stop at you. Anyone who follows Scottish football would have been confident Alex McLeish, Tommy Wright or Derek McInnes could have come in and done a good job. I believe that had any of that trio been in charge last Tuesday, Rangers would still be in Europe. Pedro was very poor tactically – so much so, in fact, that he made the players look worse than they maybe are. Believe me, this happens in the game. I saw it first hand on more than one occasion in my own playing career. As chairman, it must alarm you there haven’t been any signs of progress under Pedro. So if the he is to be given time, it must be conditional. If things have not seriously picked up by the time Rangers have played their first 11 league games – the first quarter of the campaign – then I would urge you to change your manager. New signings will have had time to settle in. Not just the men I mentioned struggling in Luxembourg, but also the likes of Bruno Alves and Graham Dorrans. Dorrans strikes me as an excellent buy for £1.3-million. At 30, he boasts experience of both English and international football. Likewise, it is hard to imagine a player of Alves’ pedigree not making a positive contribution. We know dramatic recoveries from European humiliation do happen. Celtic lost 5-0 to Artmedia Bratislava in 2005 and went on to win the league title by 17 points under Gordon Strachan. If something similar happens under Pedro, you can look forward to getting plenty of praise. But if it goes the other way, fans’ anger on Tuesday night will be the tip of the iceberg. Yours, Gordon
  6. pete

    First XI??

    Jack and Rossiter should not be in the same team as they both lie far too deep.
  7. Surely you don't believe the crap that we lost to Celtic and Aberdeen because he was experimenting? I guess he was experimenting against Prógres as well.
  8. We did break their rules and were fined 250.000 pounds for it. That was the lord Nimmo verdict. They are now trying to overturn that but there was no appeal possibility and it has been accepted by the SFA.
  9. I haven't seen anything to change my opinion of him. In fact my opinion that he hasn't a clue has only been cemented. Nobody seems to understand the explanation of his tactics. I wonder if the players do?
  10. I got a fright there when I read the title of the thread. I was expecting something to do with taking titles.Thankfully it was extremely positive. I never looked who had posted.
  11. Aberdeen have got Stewart and are trying for Maloney. Don't make the mistake of thinking they will be a push-over.
  12. It won't wind in the supporters they only smell the fumes of blood and are frothing at the mouth. It will hopefully make the SPFL ask themselves if they want to blow up Scottish football,
  13. The new generation have Josh Windass.
  14. If you are going to make a statement then at least get the facts right. This has been said a thousand times that the verdict was that they were legal. Have they had their heads stuck up their asses or are they just so thick.
  15. Thanks for putting that up BH that was a great watch. What a shame Rangers wouldn't match Sunderland's wages to keep him at Ibrox. My father took me to see him down in England against Hull when we were on holiday. He was as was said a lot heavier then and we were a bit disappointed.
  16. I tookthis from FF. Seemingly Chris McLaughlin had contacted 11 SPFL clubs for their opinion if Rangers should be stripped of Trophy's. I can't find it on the BBC site. Not the result he was looking for I think. Top SPFL clubs contacted by BBC for views re calls for review of EBT use by #Rangers: 1 Yes 2 No 5 No current position 3 Didn't respond
  17. The penalties were added to the original tax bill.
  18. If I remember right the original claim was for 45mill and then they added penalties.
  19. That is my feelings now as well. It is time to fight fire with fire. The daggers are out their sheaths so no point in throwing tissues at them.
  20. EBT's were legal at the time the SC judges have judged on that. HMRC will get the largest share of the pot from oldco thus Tax paid. What is there left to discuss? End of lets move on!.
  21. How often do they want it investigated? Celtic lap dogs.
  22. And Mendes is seemingly a friend of Parks Junior.
  23. The best managers don't apply.They are approached.
  24. I don't have that information but if Pedro's was the best I would be shocked
  25. There is a case to get the world war 1 title announced nul and void.
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