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David Murray 'outsourced' the catering at Ibrox to a company he has links with - that company made ~�£14M in a few years and admitted their success was down to its ties with Rangers. That's �£14M that could have been OUR money in the hip pockets of a Murray linked company... The Ticket Office was outsourced to another Murray linked company and is housed (maybe free of charge) within Ibrox and now charges �£1 for EVERY transaction - maybe doesn't sound much, but it adds up. Added to that, the same company are now the countries largest Call Centre Company - more coffers for the over-flowing Murray tills. The Travel Club is a joke - �£11 pounds to join and no chance of a ticket - those who are lucky enough to get a ticket pay well over the odds. A wee comparison - Barcalona v Chelsea CL game - fly in and straight out, tansfers to and from ground and match ticket �£199. Compare that to any Rangers away game and spot the difference - its with the same company BTW. Oh, and our trip to Molde was on average �£50 dearer than Craptics trip to Copenhagan - again with the same company... As for the Albion - it is a joke and guess who is laughing all the way to the bank? Yip, the Murray family again - father sold it to his son for �£1 and he now charges �£7 to park in there - char-ching..... Cammy F

Youth Development may be very good (that is argueable) but it doesn't belong to Rangers - we have to PAY for any players we want from RYD after a set amount of first team games (�£100,000 I believe). As for the merchandising, only time will tell - David Murray as he is apt to do went for the short term glory rather than the long-term plan. So well just ignore the other points then...????....????....??? Cammy F

Fraser, David Murray HAD to pay of the debt - he created it, the banks were copming after HIM. FFS.... He didn't supply the managers with money, WE DID. In the last two decades, we have been the biggest single financial contributor to Rangers Football Club - if only David Murray had matched our contribution �£ for �£..... There is still some dubiety surrounding the �£50M debt as to whether it is a loan from MIH or if it was 'truly written off' - we'll not find out until Murray sells. So he has paid back some of the debt he created - what about everything he has taken OUT of Rangers? Youth Development, Merchindising, Catering, Ticket Office, Travel Club, The Albion Carpark - care to guess who benefitted from the sale / outsourcing of all of the above - not to mention the amount of down-right lies he has fe us over the years - I'll give you a clue, his initials are David Fucking Murray. Cammy F - None So Blind And All That Loyal RSC

Dear, oh dear oh dear Mr Murray, the old 'divide and conquer ploy.... Whoop-de-do Mr Murray, you get a nice comfy seat free of charge... how many away games have you gone to? Have you witnessed the over-zealous policing at Parkhead, Easter Road et al? Have you witnessed Rangers fans being 90 times more likely to be arrested at Parkhead the the home bigots? Have you travelled with YOUR company to watch Rangers in Europe? Have you witnessed the life-threatening crushes at various venues? Have you been there when the mounted Spanish Police charged into a group of innocent Rangers fans who's only crime was trying to gain access to a section of the stadium they had tickerts for? Aye, Murray, you've got it hard you patronising wanker. Cammy F - To Angry To Respond To His Other Quotes Loyal RSC

Fraser, seriously, what exactly has David Murray given Rangers? Cammy F

nokiss - I did state that I was playing devils advocate and that I wasn't calling for him to be sacked just now - all I said was that we are worse than we were last season, there is no sign of improvement and that he can hardly speak a word of English... But one thing that PLG and Rangers haven't got is time - let me reiterate - we are only 3 points ahead of 9th place in the SPL, we were humbled by St Johnstone on Wednesday, the worst result in our history since Berwick. Who much longer do we give him? I'll rephrase that, how much longer can we afford to give him if nothing improves? Do we shrug off being 9th in the SPL? Do we shrug off being in the bottom six after the split (as on current form thats where we are heading)? Do we shurg off no European football next season just so PLG gets 'time'? IMO, the clock is ticking and its ticking fast. Cammy F Cammy F

Can he play centre-half or left / right back... Cammy F

Awe FFS - I give up.... How the fuck can we win when fans eat up his shit time after time... Murray is a fuckin liar who is killing OUR club .... Cammy F

I was at a few protests last season (along with Steve and Del!) and was there to protest against Murray - if I go along tomorrow, I will once again go to protest against Murray. I said last year that getting rid of AM was David Murrays way of placating the majority of us, and it was. Murray is like that, he'll blame everyone from us to PLG before he points the finger at himself. However, I have a feeling I'll be posting the same text next year when things haven't improved and PLG is getting shown the exit. It took the Tims a decade to realise that it was the board that was killing them and they finally ousted the board minutes before being closed down. This was after them boycotting games, getting manager after manager sacked etc. I always thought that we were more intelligent than them, it appears not. Cammy F

So a question to those who will continue to go to Ibrox no matter what - how exactly are you going to communicate to Mr Murray that you are unhappy with the current situiation (and lets be honest, things have been terrible on and off the pitch for over 5 years) and that you want a change? Or, do you not agree that things, both on and off the field need to change? Or that David Murray will come riding over the hill on his white charger? The only 2 things that sting the assasin into action are 1/ losing money and 2/ a slight of his ego. A Mass boycott of 2-3 games will do both and jolt him into action. Failure to do anything and he'll continue to lie to us, and continue to kill the club. IMO missing 3-4 games, or even a season to ensure that Rangers FC are ready for the present and the future is well worth the sacrafice IMO. Anyway, its better than going along and letting Murray assume that we are all happy little customers, sorry fans. We are the only ones that can force change - are you up for it? Cammy F

Playing Devils abvocate here, but what has PLG done to inspire / derserve our continued support? We have more problems than we had last season and lets not forget that PLG got DVD's of all our games, so he knew where our problems lay. He can not communicate in English, that is despite knowing the he was coming to Scotland 6 months prior to his appointment (that is about 1 year ago). His formations, subsitutes, signings all leave a lot to be desired (and that is putting it kindly). There is ZERO sign of improvement, those who say there is are deluding themselves. We are THREE points off being 9th in the SPL and lost at home to St Johnstone on Wednesday - the only shock about that result was that it wasn't a surprise to many Rangers fans, myself included. Support comes at a price, it isn't something that we should give blindly - that is exactly what David Murray is counting on. Now, I am not saying that PLG should be sacked, but I do think that his situation should be reviewed at Xmas - what happens (God forbid) this form continues and we are in the bottom 6 - how much longer do we give him???? As for giving him money, I wouldn't - his signings so far have been rank rotten. Cammy F

Yip, I can just picture the scene, David Murray sitting on his comfy arm-chair, a glass of Chardonnay in his hand and Chick Dung getting yet another exclusive from the new Chez Murray (freshly purchased for a cool Ã?£4.5 million). Chick asks Murray some hard-hitting questions about those nasty, bigoted Rangers fans who dare question his stewardship, those pesky trouble-makers from the RST, those hooligans who follow Rangers away from home who have the audacity to question Mr Murray. Mr Murray will take a sip of Chardonnay (freshly procured from his expanse vineyards in France) and hit back with the usual ââ?¬Ë?Well Chick, they never complained when I delivered 9-in-a-rowââ?¬â?¢. ââ?¬Ë?Well Chick, we know that those who question me are the ones that we are trying to rid Rangers Football Club off ââ?¬â?? you know, those who follow the team everywhere, take all the shit that we can thro at them and still come back for moreââ?¬â?¢. ââ?¬Ë?Anyway Chick, we all know that the Tims are more loyal than my customersââ?¬â?¢Ã¢â?¬Â¦. In all seriousness, do you think he has the brass-neck to rehash the ââ?¬Ë?investment to shock football to its foundationsââ?¬â?¢ line again? I think he has as some of our fans will buy it again and come in their pants as they tell their pals down the pub that this time next year weââ?¬â?¢ll have Beckham, Rooney, Lampard et al gracing Ibrox - only to be let down again by The Mint. Never mind, they'll continue to believe in his fairy-tales and continue to shout down those who have seen thro the asassin - Murray do us all a favour and fuck right off Cammy F

.... and I'll sign off with an old favourite of mine... MURRAY, MURRAY GTF, MURRAY GTF.... Cammy F - Nothing If Not Predictable Loyal RSC

Its with a heavy heart that I have come to the decision that as long as David Murray is in control, or has anything to do with Rangers Football Club, I will not set one foot back into Ibrox. I have thought long and hard about this, and it is the worst decision that I have ever had to make. Starting from Saturday, I will station myself at the Main Door of Ibrox and will spend the 90 minutes protesting there against David Murray (if allowed by The Police) and will continue to do this until Murray fucks off and takes his lapdogs Bain & McIntyre with him. Cammy F- Disgruntled and Disloyal Loyal RSC Disclaimer ââ?¬â?? Cammy F reserves the right to change his mind on this subject come Saturday afternoon at around 2:45PMââ?¬Â¦

are we willing to give PLG? Considering that we are a mere 3 points off being 9th, yip, thats 9th in the SPL and last night suffered out worst domestic defeat in ~40 years? If we are honest, we have been shit from the word go and don't look like improving. IMO, PLG is the right man at the wrong time and I have to say that he has not impressed me at all. Nothing has improved under him and his singings appear to be rnak rotten. 0 out of 10 so far for Mr PLG Cammy F

Remember last season when many on this forum were convinced that last seasons team was the worst ever Rangers team? I do simply because I disagreed with that notion as I could remember worse teams than last seasons. However, even this aging Bear is struggling to remember a worse lot that this. So, the question is to all those who said last season that it was the worst team they had seen ââ?¬â?? care to change your opinion? Cammy F

Amen to that... Cammy F

Oi, Rancid are the dogs bollocks :admin: Cammy F

honestly m8, I still think those of us who want a radical change are in the minority. The majority are happy to go along and take all the shit that is flung at them. They are happy to hear and accept Murray's lies. I said similar last season and was told that Murray would sort it all out, well, as far as I'm concerned we are even WORSE this season than we were last. If I'm honest, that upsets me more than watching Murray kill our club. Cammy F

For the first time in a long time (well since the last time!) I won't be at Ibrox watching Rangers during a home game. There are many reasons for this but primarily its due to the fact that I am trying to get a ticket to see Rancid at The Barras Anyway, I can't say that I am bothered that I won't be going, and that is also a first. Normally, when I can't get to a game I am raging and will be viewing the web/TV/radio etc for score updates. Tomorrow, if I get a ticket for Rancid I won't bother looking for the score until after the gig, and even if I don't get a ticket, I'll probably not bother looking for score updates. OK, I am now ready for insuing 'part-time support', 'unloyal fan', 'glory-hunter' replies, feel free to take your best shot... Cammy F PS - I'll be in my usual place on Saturday tho...

I thought that playing players out of position was a thing of the past since AM left... If pushed I'd pick Bardsley, but neither of them are decent players to be honest. Cammy F

Maybe Rangers are bigger than the current regime, but if they run us into the ground, then maybe there won't be a 'Rangers' to love..... If Murray can't secure a buyer, do you think he has a 'plan B'? I don't, I think he'll just let us stagnate as he believes that our love for the club will stop us from doing anything to remove him. After all, the vast majority of Rangers fans still believe that a boycott is 'Not The Rangers Way'. If it isn't I wonder how we've managed to remove previous managers / chairmans etc. Cammy F

The Fleck issue aside, this debate does thro up an interesting point. Since Rangers do not 'own' any of the Youth players, as they are contracted to RYD and not RFC, what is stopping RYD selling players like Fleck to the highest bidder and not RFC? Another web woven by David Murray... Cammy F

R.I.P Bobby - a true Ranger and a true gentleman... Cammy F

It is easy to say that we need to stick together, and I agree, but with the external pressures being forced upon on the Rangers support, as well as the shit that we are being served up on the pitch, maybe its time to force peoples hands by staying away, boycotting the catering facilities etc... If we keep rolling up every week and accepting the Police, Stewards, McIntryes dacorian attitude, and the shit we are being served up, what is going to change? Cammy F