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Another point here - there are people (and we know who they are) who are praying on us to continue to sing this song - they are banking on our defience as it gives them something to attack us with and it deflects attention away from their sectarian songs. Don't fall into the trap and give these people the ammunition they crave. If we can refrain from singing this song, maybe, just maybe we can turn the attention on THEM. Cammy F

I am sure that UEFA will accept this as a defence...! Know what you are saying, but it is up to us the fans, to learn and sing Rangers songs - how did you know the words to songs like The Billy Boys? You listened to them at games, on tapes etc. The only people that can change the 'hymn book' at Ibrox are us the fans - we all have a responsibility to support the team passionately whilst refraining from banned songs. Cammy F

Thing is Colshy, nobody is going to give us a break - it is quite apparent that if we continue to sing it, we are going to face stiff, harsh punishment. This could be in the form of stand closures, point deductions, relegation and being kicked out of European Cups. Is singing about a razor gang from Glasgow worth seeing Rangers relegated? Is it worth singing this whilst 1 or 2 stands at Ibrox are closed? Is it worth singing it if, after beating Craptic 3-0 at Ibrox we get deducted these points? I think we all really need to acknowledge the severity of the situation - this isn't going away, turning a blind eye, or defying UEFA and Murray ISN'T AN OPTION. This is serious, this could lead to Rangers being RELEGATED (for the first time in OUR HISTORY). If some people have the misguided notion that a song about a street gang is more important than Rangers Fooball Club, I fear for the future of our club. Cammy F

For those who want to continue to sing about fucking the pope and being up to your knees in fenian blood, you can, just not at Ibrox. You can sing it on your RSC bus, you can sing it in the pubs, you can sing it in your house / garden, you can sing it anywhere you want, apart from Ibrox. So, the defence of 'freedom of speach' isn't an issue here. This issue isn't going to go away - if we continue to sing these songs, Rangers Football Club will be punished and punished heavily. The issue of David Murray and the club's stance is now another issue completely. UEFA have fined us and warned us about future behaviour. If we are found guilty again, we are going to suffer. No amount of posturing from us or the club is going to stop this punishment. We really need to wake up and smell the coffee here. As for the issues of other clubs, as Frankie says, we can not use that as a defence. However, what we can do is highlight these to the relevant authorities - just like the enemies of our club have done with our songs. Cammy F

And the 30 yard screamer he scored AGAINST us at the pre-season friendly a few years ago @ St James.... Cammy F

See the bhoy at the end of the clip doing the 'red-hand salute' Cammy F

Interesting to read that Jim Templeton and Rangers are threatening to boycott certain grounds over the issue of ticket pricing (and not before time). The grounds concerned are East End Park, Rugby Park and Tannidice. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/tm_objectid=17457781%26method=full%26siteid=66633%26headline=gers%2dfans%2d%2dfury%2dat%2dticket%2dprices%2d-name_page.html Cammy F

And for those who missed it - here is said tim having a 'hissy fit' in the centre-circle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeFNJRYbi6M Given Craptics PR - this will be denied and blamed on us or a �£30 piece of software Cammy F

During their last home game of the season, their singing section, The Jungle Bhoys imploded and sections of this led thousands of fans in vile racist and sectarian chants. Now, this wasn't reported in the media, the information was gained from a 'craptic minded' website. Some of the songs sung included - I'd rather wear a turban than a sash - Soon there will be no protestants at all - and various IRA ditties. Add this to the fact that the green brigade are trying to take over from the bungle bhoys as the new singing section, we are going to hear more and more of these songs at Parkhead. We know that the media aren't going to do / say anything, but maybe, just maybe some of us Rangers fans are beginning to wake up and realise that if we want to bring this type of thing into the open, then we'll need to do it ourselves. Cammy F

Saw most of the game last night and we did look impressive - good luck in the final. Cammy F

Political songs are not allowed under the new UEFA directive - this was brought in so that UEFA could take action against supporters singing far-right wing chants at football and this will cover the IRA chants. Cammy F

Agreed, if Rangers are going to play these fantastic Rangers songs, they need to play the original versions and not these raved versions. Cammy F

Don't have Sentanta, but like Frankie says, if I wasn't actively going to the footie, it sounds like a good deal and I'd probably go for it. Cammy F

The leadership needs to come from 'respected' Rangers people as well - by that, I am meaning RST spokesmen like David Edgar and Stephen Smith, the editors of the fanzines, Robert McElroy etc. Frankie, I am sure you guys are on this as we speak and I look forward to hearing what the respective groups have to say on this (thorny) subject. I liked David Edgar's line - education not condemnation - an excellent line and would make an effective title for any announcements from the club, RST etc. Cammy F

So has he caught up with UEFA deligates, spokespersons from TBO, RST and RSA as well as David Murray???? That exact reasoning is why I asked for calm, and leadership. For example, if David Murray makes it clear that anyone singing it will be banned from Ibrox for life, I am sure there will be a change in attitudes. Bizzarely, the UEFA decision only affects Ibrox - so apart from OF and European games, we really don't have a problem - TBO apart, nobody sings ANYTHING at Ibrox these days...

I don't post on FF! However, this will be part of my article from the first No1 Fanzine of the season (if it gets published and I see no reason for it not!) If we are to educate people into NOT singing certain songs, they way to approach it is to show what the consiquences to Rangers will be if we don't refrain. Rangers is the one constant that runs thro our support, so the good of Rangers is in EVERYONE's hearts. Cammy F

As we approach the new season, I have decided to take a different approach from Frankie who (rightly) gave you have analysis of our team that we expect to wrestle our title back from the inhabitants of Torbett Towers. Just as important as the squads ââ?¬Ë?on-fieldââ?¬â?¢ performances this season, is ââ?¬Ë?off-fieldââ?¬â?¢ performance. And, I am not just talking about the abysmal atmosphere at Ibrox. We are well and truly in UEFAââ?¬â?¢s sights and they have plenty of allies waiting for our first slip-up so they can run back to UEFA and point the finger at us ââ?¬Ë?big, bad bigoted Hunsââ?¬â?¢. Make no mistake, blind refusal to listen to UEFA (and Murray and supporters representatives) is no longer an option. If we donââ?¬â?¢t heed this warning, Rangers Football Club will suffer accordingly. Some will say that bowing to UEFA is a sign of weakness, that it is the first step to losing all of our songs and that those who support axing of The Billy Boys are ââ?¬Ë?sell-outsââ?¬â?¢, ââ?¬Ë?PC-brigadeââ?¬â?¢ etc. Given David Murrayââ?¬â?¢s refusal to back us even once, over the last decade, has led to us being unable to defend ourselves from this UEFA decision. In my opinion, we have no option but to comply with the UEFA directive as going against it is only going to lead to Rangers being deducted points, relegated, thrown out of Europe etc, and I donââ?¬â?¢t think that there is one Rangers fan that really wants to see that happen. The argument that ââ?¬Ë?fenianââ?¬â?¢ isnââ?¬â?¢t directed at Catholics and Craptic fans lost any credibility when sections of our fan-base started to sing the cringe-worthy ââ?¬Ë?You Are A Fenianââ?¬â?¢. There is no denying that sections of our fans think / believe that a Fenian is a Catholic or a Craptic fan. Cutting to the chase, there are going to be two distinct camps amongst the support this year ââ?¬â?? those who will refrain from singing The Billy Boys and those who will continue to sing this song as an act of defiance. Both will claim that they are right, both will see the other section as ââ?¬Ë?the enemy withinââ?¬â?¢. This is concerning, as is the fact that there has been no leadership from the club (although this was promised). So folks, Iââ?¬â?¢d like to appeal for calm from both sides over this issue and I urge the club (we only have over a week to our first home game) to release a statement that details what songs are considered ââ?¬Ë?singableââ?¬â?¢ and which arenââ?¬â?¢t. They must also clearly outline the severity of any punishment that we are likely to receive from UEFA for continued singing of The Billy Boysââ?¬Â¦. So, what ââ?¬Ë?campââ?¬â?¢ am I in? Iââ?¬â?¢m in the ââ?¬Ë?bin it for the good of Rangers Football Clubââ?¬â?¢ camp but can understand why people donââ?¬â?¢t want to give an inch over this song. At a time where Italian clubs are getting reduced sentences from match fixing, we are getting hammered from a ââ?¬Ë?songââ?¬â?¢. Apart from that issue, lets get right behind PLG and the squad and lets make ourselves the 12th man. I remember not so long ago that Ibrox was one of the most intimidating stadium in the world ââ?¬â?? we are the only people that can make this happen again. Cammy F

Bring your objections and a list of your recommended songs to the attention of Rangers - its the only way you'll get them changed I don't mind the RB and GSTQ tunes (but I can't remember GSTQ being played over the tannoy tho) and it was great to hear the French NA on Saturday. As I said, this is a bit of a heated topic as you can't please all of the people all of the time - its getting the right mix - if more people lobby the club, maybe we'll get the mix right. Cammy F

Thing is tho Jim, at least the Club Deck Loyal are trying to improve the atmosphere at the game - if you don't like their choice of tunes, why not try and lobby Rangers (as the CDL have) and get what you think will improve the atmosphere on matchdays played..... What is it they say, you can't please all of the people all of the time.... Cammy F

Nice work gersfem and Del (for getting the banner out). Hopefully we'll have photos of the new banner soon.... Some others of the orignal banner Cammy F

Proudly sang at the end of every home match by TBO 'The Queen' is traditionally sung at the end of events....! Cammy F

About bloody time - a huge pat of the back to those who have worked so hard to get this song played. Cammy F

What a radical way to improve the atmosphere at Ibrox Cammy F

I don't think it is jealousy - I know life-long Chelsea fans who don't particularly like some of the newer Chelsea fans (just like some traditional Man U fans don't like the prawn-sandwitch brigade). As someone who has Chelsea sympathies, I can see where people are coming from - they are rapidly becoming the new Man U - hated by most and supported (in part) by fans who'll jump to the next big successful club. Cammy F

Arsenal didn't have a safety certificate for the 'full stadium' - so it was true, the game was a sell out as they had sold all the tickets for the parts of the ground that were open. This happens a lot with new, modern grounds. The safety inspectors will give the go-ahead for sections of the ground to be opened and others closed. Same thing happened for the extension to Old Trafford. Arsenal will have a safety certificate in place for the entire stadium in time for the new season. Have to say that from the little I saw last night, the stadium looked great and it was great to see, a real top-class footballer like Dennis Berkamp get a good send off. A truly woderfull players. Oh, and I wonder if Arsenal have 'decorated' their new stadium with certain symbols and portraits that wouldn't be out of place at Ibrox (like Highbury was). Rangers - Arsenal - A REAL CONNECTION. Cammy F