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Another positive for me is seeing Shota back on Scottish soil. Pity the game isn't at Ibrox (as Shota indicated) as it would be great to seem him back home. Cammy F

Again, here is where we need the club to take the lead in this. As some have said, this tune is sang at most grounds in Britain (and is it less offensive to be up to your knees in 'Ayr' blood than f*****?). If we get our act together, there should be nothing to stop us from singing a non-offensive version of this 'tune'. However, how long would it be before some fans reverted back to the 'offensive' version? Hello Hello We Are The Rangers Boys Hello Hello You'll Know Us By Our Noise We'll Follow Glasgow Rangers, Our Hearts Both Strong and True For We Are The People Who Cheer The Boys In Blue Cammy F

The main reason for my thinking regarding drawing a line in the sand, is that if we don't do it, the media will, once we have eradicated effteepee etc, go after things like the union flag and GSTQ/RB. Once the media and the MOPES get a hold of it, UEFA will come trotting behind them and demm these as 'offensive'. Thats why we have to draw a line - and IMO the line has to be drawn after effteepee and 'fe****'. However, that is not to say that we as a support have a debate after this about things like GSTQ/RB etc. As for Flower Of Scotland, I absolutely hate that dirge of a song - that is not a political statement, just one of a music fan with taste .... In saying that, my Follow Follow record from the early 60's has FOS and Scotland the Brave along side Derrys Walls, The Sash, Follow Follow etc. Would I give abuse to anyone at Ibrox singing FOS or wearing a Scotland top? Deffo not, why would I? In the same light, I wouldn't abuse any fan at Ibrox wearing an England, Wales, NI, Holland, Spain, Croatia, Brazil, Argentine, etc, etc top either. What we really must be careful of here is trying to run before we can walk. We have to do this in stages and as Frankie says by education and not 'over the top condemnation'. As for the BNP sellers, they are doing nothing illeagal and have the right to sell their papers anywhere in they want. Rangers have pushed them as far away from the stadium as they are permitted to do under council legislation. Like them or loathe them, under the freedom of speach they are entitled to their opinion and to express this in public. Cammy F

Well done (again) to the RST - when it comes to defending Rangers and the fans, it's the only show in town. The club could do worse than employing the RST as a vehilce in tackling the press along with PR. Cammy F

With the newest alleged UEFA investigation into the ââ?¬Ë?Simply The Bestââ?¬â?¢ song in Osasuna, Rangers have to wage war on two fronts if they have any hope of coming out of this ââ?¬Ë?warââ?¬â?¢ unscathed. Dignified Silence Is No Longer An Option SDM needs to realise that a ââ?¬Ë?dignified silenceââ?¬â?¢ in the face of sensationalist headlines is no longer an option. The club has to come out fighting here. We are not looking for UEFA to ignore any discriminatory songs, we are asking for a level playing field. It is time for the club to take of the kid gloves and hit back here. It sounds petty, but we have to highlight other clubs fans who sing discriminatory songs and prove that we arenââ?¬â?¢t the only club in Europe who have an issue. Hell, we arenââ?¬â?¢t even the only club in Glasgow who has an issue. There is plenty of evidence out there to prove this. A quick search of You Tube will bring up videos of Celtic fans singing IRA, sectarian and other vile songs, itââ?¬â?¢ll bring up videos of West Ham fans singing anti-Jewish and racist songs, itââ?¬â?¢ll show evidence of Aberdeen fans singing discriminatory songs, hell, you can even see the TA singing anti-English racist songs. Celtic fans are getting worried as they have tried their best to get the ââ?¬Ë?press bus incidentââ?¬â?¢ in Milan rubbished and certain sections of the media have as usual been very obliging in ââ?¬Ë?coveringââ?¬â?¢ this up. As well as showing UEFA that we arenââ?¬â?¢t the only club with an issue, we have to highlight this to the Scottish press. This may turn out to be harder than convincing UEFA. Rangers, as a club must invite the editors of the newspapers to Ibrox and show them ââ?¬Ë?You Tube Videosââ?¬â?¢ of other Scottish clubs indulging in discriminatory songs and if they do not splash this all over their front pages, the club must take them to task over this. As with UEFA, we are not asking for preferential treatment, just parity. In our quest for parity both here in Scotland in Europe, it is my belief that Rangers could do worse than enlisting the services of Donald Findlay QC. Ok, SDM treated DF like shit and hung him out to dry, but in our hour of need, DF wouldnââ?¬â?¢t let us down. He is the best in the country and we need the best at the moment. Fââ?¬â?¢ing The Pope Id No Longer An Option The club, hopefully with the help of the RST need to lead an initiative informing Rangers fans that fââ?¬â?¢ing the pope and using F***** as a discriminatory term is going to KILL the club we love. It is my view that once we eradicate effteepee and ââ?¬Ë?f*****ââ?¬â?¢, we are, (like Neil Lennon) untouchable. This is where we need leadership, direction and clarity from the club. No one appears to want to define what is deemed ââ?¬Ë?sectarianââ?¬â?¢, so lets pre-empty the discussion and lay down the ââ?¬Ë?lawââ?¬â?¢. Letââ?¬â?¢s lead from the front, and admit that singing fââ?¬â?¢ the pope is sectarian as is using fe**** as a discriminatory term (this is a grey area, but bare with me). If we are first to announce such things, it puts pressure on others to follow suit. We can then draw a line in the sand and say, ââ?¬Ë?we have defined what terms/songs our fans sing that are discriminatory songs. These will be stopped, BUT nothing else is up for debate. Union flags, GSTQ, RB, Derrys Walls, The Sash et al, whilst not being football songs, THEY ARE NOT SECTARIAN NOR ARE THEY DISCRIMINATORY. Failure to take action on both fronts isnââ?¬â?¢t an option either, if we fail to do this, Rangers will continued be hammered from pillar to post by a Celtic Minded Scottish media (and political base) and UEFA not to mention the MOPES (most offended people ever, yip, the tims). A quick and decisive attack on both fronts will highlight the ââ?¬Ë?one-sidedââ?¬â?¢ sensationalist journalism in this country and will force UEFA to open up a whole can of worms regarding a European wide crack down on discriminatory songs. Cammy F

There is no doubt that Hutton is improving, but what he requires is to find this level (or better) or performance on a regular basis. Hutton has always shown that he is a decent prospect / player, but does appear to go thro phases when he looks like a little boy lost. Cammy F

Flaunting their banner yesterday (The one commissioned by the nonces in Peterhead prison i may add) with Che Guevara on it at the Bears..... Then trying to taunt us with ''Sign on..''''In your Glasgow slums''.... Che would have been so proud of such elitism... Cammy F

OMG, could we really stand another - the helicopter is changing direction - Sunday afternoon Cammy F

No, the best I can come up with is that those 'presbyterians' singing about f-ing the poipe, being up to their knees in 'anyones blood' aren't displaying the values associated with Presbyterianism. I think too many of our fans mistake LOYALISM for Presbyterianism and Unionism. I have nothing against all 3, but they aren't the same and have many different values and supporters. Rangers are a football team / club / instituation that was founded on purely sporting grounds and has grown into one of the biggest footballing clubs in the world. Rangers fans come from all walks of life - socialists, conservatives, liberals, protestants, unionist, Scottish 'republicans', catholics, jews but probably mostly from the none of the above...... This 'hand-ringing, pinko-liberal' Rangers fan dreams for the day that the Rangers fans sing Rangers songs for 90 minutes celebrating the historic successes of the team, players, managers etc. Cammy F

Also Loyal & Blue, what sort of Presbyterian values condones shouting F*** The Pope and such like? As Pete says, irony of irony, such behaviour is very anti-Presbyterian like and not what I'd expect for someone from Presbyterian stock........ Cammy F

Mediahouse are one of the best PR firms around - it appears they only act if a story is blackening SDM or Martin Bain - you'll not hear a peep from them if its us that are getting 'blackened'. Cammy F

Well the Red Scum didn't let us down yesterday. Songs about Ian Durrant and the Ibrox disaster, a fight with security staff and Police and injuring a young boy by throwing coins at him (how hard are they eh?). Wonder if this will be splashed all over the media for the next week? Or will it be swept under the carpet again? The Red Scum have been at this for over a decade, its time it was highlighted and dealt with. However, expect another dignified silence from Mr Murray and has lackies. Cammy F

Sorry mate, they are offended by our very existance (sp) and I for one, want nothing to do with them. Can you see them supporting us in our claims that they hired an IRA terrorist to paint their banners was covered up by the press? I would end up like NBM a one-sided Anti-Rangers pile of steaming manure. Cammy F

Call me a cynical old bassa (OK your a cynical old bassa) but I think our worst fears regarding Dado's fitness are about to be confirmed - think the big man might be finished.... Cammy F

Exactly - these 'journos' take what is written on them as fact. Just look at the recent 'articles' on the bouncy. Terrorist minded claimed it was started to celebrate the murder of a Catholic in Belfast. A myth that has gone round the Craptic forums for a few years. Hey presto it appears in the mainstream press and is printed as 'fact'. Never mind the fact that we have been doing the bouncy for 15 years PRIOR to this murder. The along come the claims (more myths) that we sand 'Kill a Fe**** before I die' and a song about a taxi and the unfortunate and sad death of a Craptic fan in Milan. These lies start on terrorist-minded and appear in the scum gutter media as fact. What does our club do? HEE-FOOKIN-HAW and low and behold, these lies are now FACTS. Now, when negative stories are printed on websites that are TRUE but show up Craptic and their fans, what happens? They are largely ignored and swept under the carpet. Last night on Radio Clyde, a bitter and twisted yahoo was on saying that Craptic fans are angels on their travels and their is NO TROUBLE. When Andy Walker and Mark Guidi pointed out that whilst in Milan, around 300 Craptic fans were involved in the attack on the press bus where a bottle was thrown, and it hit the window of the bus where the Craptic TV reporter and cameraman were seated, the daft bint repied - 'don't believe you, never read about this in the papers'. Now, therein lies the problem, we do not have written Journos who will have a go at them. Lets remind ourselves that when Craptic played Blackburn in the UEFA Cup, there was a major riot in Blackburn as Craptic fans were refused entry with facke tickets. The fans fought with Police and the arrest figure was confirmed by the home office as the most arrests in at a single game in years. Did this make the press up here? You bet your bottom $ it didn't. On their recent trip to London, there were reports of violence in the English media - again, was in reported up here? No, not a word of it. Their last 'friendly visit' to Manchester resulted in the 'most violent clashes' seen by the Police officer in charge and many pubs, clubs and shops were smashed up. Various Man U fanzines and websites wrote about this for months, wrote about not wanting Craptic anywhere near Manchester again. What did our madia make of it???????? I have a friend who is a Brummie and hates Craptic with a passion. She is a Catholic and was disgusted at their behaviour at a friendly down in Birmingham a few years back. She referred to them as 'sub-human'. Funnily enough, after her tales of violence etc I searched our media for 'outrage' but found nothing but praise for them. Now, We are not angels, we have our problems and have to deal with them. However, so does most 'big teams' and I certainly won't have have the media up here tell me that they are saintly and we are the devil incarnate. They have orginised themselves and are on the war path - we MUST FIGHT BACK and this must be led by the club. Cammy F

"There are some who quite simply are not decent and the good among this huge Rangers support shouldn't allow anything I say to be twisted by idiots on websites" Sorry Mr Traynor, we all ready your initial article and it certainly wasn't 'twisted by idiots on websites', it was there in black and white for everyone to read. You sir are a repugnet reptile . Cammy F

It is now 2:00PM on Friday, a full 36 hours after our fans were brutally attacked by riot Police in Spain, and we still haven't heard a peep from our custodian regarding this, or the vicious articles penned since by reptiles like Traynor. Now, I understand that before giving a 'detailed statement' regarding this, SDM will be wanting to get all the evidence in black and white, but as Nacho Novo and BF have shown, you can still come out and show your anger, concern and disbelief of these unprovoked attacks. SDM must come out in support of our fans and must push UEFA all the way on this and codemn the actions of the Police and show some concern on the well-being of our fans. After all, the UEFA representative in Spain is quoted today hailing the Rangers support as 'magnificant'. As any club led investigation progresses, SDM must also take action against Jim Traynor and his employers including closing all ties, sponsership deals etc with them. He must also take action against L McIntyre as the list of dangerious situations in Europe grows season after season. LM's duties include the safety of travelling Rangers fans and he has failed in this regard. SDM must also get his PR Department to work and show that our travelling fans are not troublemakers. They have plenty of ammunition - the local Spanish newspapers all complimented the travelling support, as above the UEFA rep has stated that we are 'magnificant', other police forces in Porto etc had nothing but praise for us. Get your finger out your arse SDM - defend us or GTF. Cammy F

Nah, fat bastard would eat us out of house and home and who'd oay a ransom for the useless tosser? We should just take the same stance as the Spanish Police and attack Traynor with a baton for his sectarian outbursts (called us Orange barstewards) and his mnay racist anti-English comments. After all using his sense or right and wrong, he'd have deserved it. I am off course joking and would never advocate violence./.. Cammy F

But at Lyon he was backed by the board - he was given significant money to spend (sure he paid over �£10M for Ession (sp)) and had the benefit of an extablished Youth Academy. What, given PLG's record at Ibrox, leads you to believe that he should still be in charge at Rangers and what positives lead you to believe that we would be better off? I am serious and not getting at anyone, but I can not think of one positive under PLG. Cammy F

Really? I am serious here, why do people think this? Under PLG we couldn't beat Falkirk, Dunfermline, St Johnstone etc yet we are to believe that he would have 'come good'? What evidence do you have that PLG would have made us a better team? Was it something in the performances? Something in his handling of the media? Something in his 'grasp of English'? He wasted �£5M on players even he realised weren't good enough and dropped them to play AM's rejects. Doesn't seem like a man that had confidence in his players. BTW, do you think PSG fans will be willing to give him time if they get relegated (a distinct possibility) this season? Cammy F

I'd agree with that I wouldn't say he did it well, remember we never really played anyone this season - Auxerre and Molde (away) should have beaten us, we played well against Liverno but we were rotten agains Partizan. Surely that is a better achievement than getting us thro the group stages of the UEFA Cup given the quality that we faced? Remember that we were very unlucky to lose on away goals to Villarreal. Honestly, what gives you that impression? What would PLG done differently from WS? What team would PLG put out to face Osasuna? To confirm tho, you think that PLG (or AM) should still be in charge rather than WS? Just curious to find out! Cammy F

I think Frankie and BMCK stated earlier this week, maybe the time for talking about these reptiles is over and along with tackling the Police, maybe it is time for controlled and orginised civil disorder? Maybe it is time to face the TWATS in the media face on and tell them face:face what we think of them - maybe demonstrate outside their palce of work informing their bosses that we are not happy. As for the Policing, someone on FF came up with a brilliant idea that wouldn't take much planning or finance. At all our away games, for the first 5 minutes, the entire Rangers support use whistles - thus the game would have to be delayed until we stopped. This would give great publicity to the cause and give air to the reasons we are doing it. Cammy F - Direct Action Loyal RSC

What, you have no faith in a manger who moulded the current Lyon team from scratch? Surely a manager of such reputation and ability saw something in Sebo? Cammy F

So are your implying that AM is / was a better manager than WS and on par (at least) with PLG? If that is true, why did we get rid of him and replace him with two inferior managers? Cammy F

Can't see Thomson being dropped and if Boyd is to play, it must be in a 4-4-2 as he isn't suited to the lone strikers role. Think the team will be ; McGregor Hutton Ego Weir Murray Novo Hendami Thomson Adam Fergie Boyd Know I've controdicted myself, but it'll be a 4-4-1-1 again with Novo and Adam out wide and Fergie as the player off the front Cammy F