CammyF

So why are we paying Clement that, and why did we inexplicably extend his contract? Sorry, those questions weren't specifically aimed at you and are rhetorical anyway.

Are some fans honestly saying that for £2M a year, we can't entice / find a coach who can beat Ross County, Killie, Motherwell on a regular basis? Wow.......

And "best in class"........

100% - I wonder what ever happened to "succession planning"?

I was completely unaware that I'm the solitary Rangers fan who wants Clement sacked. Thanks for pointing that out.

That's because I am an angry old man. (Not) sorry if you have an issue with that. And stop exaggerating, it's more like 95%.

Unfortunately, I don't think it will. If losing at home to Queens wasn't enough to convince the board to sack him, then he'll survive a draw / defeat at Tynecastle. He will get the EL game and probably to the end of the season. In my opinion, the board will give him next season as well (probably sacked in Oct / Nov) which is a truly depressing thought.

Managers : I believe any discussion on recent managers (which also crosses over to the board, more of that later), has to start with a champagne soaked SG being interviewed when we were presented with the SPL trophy. Sitting with Emma Dodds, a delighted SG told us all that we'd "fix the roof when the sun was shining" and had assurances from the board that he'd be able to replace / address the areas he thought required strengthening. That didn't happen. What SG had done was install the standards. He had found a way to beat Celtic and finally, found a way to defeat the rest. All whilst reestablishing our reputation in Europe. When he took over, we were an utter shambles yet he got us challenging at home and abroad. Yes we could have and should have won more trophies, but he won the one that really, really mattered. We then fell short against Malmo and SG was already hinting at not being backed as he was promised he would be. When he left, we were top of the league and had beaten Celtic (again) 1-0 at Ibrox with a covid-ravaged squad. I think most of us welcomed GVB - an ex-player who had had success as a manager. Somehow he managed to lose the lead in the SPL and the thrashings at the hands of Celtic we all thought were behind us suddenly returned. However, the run to EL Final was amazing and we defeated high standard teams and should have won the final. In retrospect, it could be argued that we sacked GvB prematurely. The appointment of Beale was a lazy appointment by the board (and I said so at the time). It lacked imagination and after a good start, we went into free fall and the inevitable happened. When Clement was appointed, I could see why the board chose him, but there were questions around the appointment. Fans from previous teams he'd managed spoke of a coach who struggled to break blocks and to change games. We also heard that the footballing people/ person the board asked for advice, didn't chose Clement as their 1st choice. Clements era stared brilliantly and we managed to find ourselves ahead in the race for the title. Then we lost to Motherwell at home (he changed the way our full backs played around that time), then we regressed and the rest is history. The capitulation was horrific and the signs we couldn't beat teams who played a certain way, or changed the way they played. Clement couldn't react with changes of his own. This preseason had alarm bells ringing (just like Beales) but most chose to ignore them. 1st game of the season we drew with Hearts at Tynecastle and that performance set the tone for domestic away games. We lost the CL qualifier and most blamed the wrongly dismissal of Jefte, but if we're honest with ourselves, we never looked like winning. Going into the season playing at Hampden and only having 1 fit forward didn't help. Neither did the managers reluctance to start his new signings. Our away form went from bad to worse and even after beating Celtic 3-0, we still found ourselves 13 points behind. We were unlucky not to win the LC, did well to get to last 8 of EL, then Sunday happened. There are far more "negatives" to Clements tenure than there are positives and previous managers have been sacked for less. If I remember correctly we've not beaten Celtic at Parkhead since Goldson scored 2 goals during 55. The defence's I hear for keeping Clement are; we can't afford to sack him and / or; we can't sack managers every year. It appears standards, quality and results have been replaced by acceptance of mediocrity. The Board I don't think there is a Rangers fan who didn't welcome the new area for our wheelchair supporters and this was long overdue. However, the previous major project, NEH, ran over timescale and budget, is to small, and it appears no lessons were learned from that project. It remains an under-utilised venue and cost over £11M. Money that was required in other areas. Whilst the financial repercussions of the Copland not being ready hurt, the fact that the board chose to deny there were any issues and lied to supporters right made a dire situation even worse. Not to mind we said, there will be contingencies in place right? Eh, no.......... One positive you didn't mention is the merchandise agreement with Castore. Bisgrove got us a great deal there and despite teething issues, we now have a deal that gives us substantial investment. However, it would be remiss not to mention the botched merchandise deals that we were still paying for until recently. Bisgrove was then promoted to a role he was unsuited for (another lazy appointment), promptly left and was (wrongly) thrown under the bus by the board for the Copland debacle. Well, they had to blame someone, the big boy that did it and ran away as they say. A critique of the board wouldn't be complete without a mention of the sale of part of The Albion. A horrendously short-term decision that went largely under the radar. It's also worth reiterating that the level of debt we currently face is solely down to this boards mistakes. They can't blame anyone, for this there is no big boy who done it and ran away. Its ALL on them - if taking us to the brink, to a place where we can't operate, where we can't sack a clearly struggling and out of touch manager, makes them the best board we've had this century, then they certainly are.

That's up to the board and investors to find. Nothing much us mere fans can do. Other than empty our bank accounts on season tickets, RTV, MyGers, merchandise, hospitality etc. Then sit back, shut up and accept the mediocrity both on and off the pitch.

It was a lighthearted comment...... appears that there isn't a place for jovial comments any more.

As would you. Bore off troll.

It take Sean Pertwee over Clement....

100% - it very rarely works bringing back an manager, Walter being the obvious exception. We need someone vastly experienced in getting the very best out of players but given our finances we need to take a punt like we did with Gerrard.

Park is undoubtedly a very successful business man, I haven't said otherwise. To imply I have is mendacious at best....... However when it comes to running Rangers, he and others are amateurs. They alone have gotten is so much in debt that we can't operate. If that isn't amateurish, I don't know what is. Their mistakes have cost us millions off the pitch and cost us trophies and CL participation on the pitch. I have no issues with fans who want Clement or Park and others to remain. That's their opinion, but it's not mine. I don't have to "forward" my argument - the evidence is there right in front of our eyes. Each and every fan is entitled to interpret it as they see fit and draw their own conclusions. We are heading into further choppy waters under the current regime and may not be in Sir Duped territory yet, but that's where we are heading and it's ALL on their heads. As for Clement he shouldn't be in charge on Sunday never mind next season.

So, you've proven my point. Thanks.

You quoted me directly - who else were you meaning if not me ?

After our last shock home Scottish Cup against Hamilton, we travelled to Tynecastle to face Hearts in the league, just like we are on Sunday. That resulted in a very impressive 5-2 victory. Wonder if we can expect the same reaction on Sunday......

Remember they beat us in pre-season........

Craig Houston has a two part, indepth interview with David Holmes available on YouTube - well worth watching / listening to - about 2hrs in total. When I have time I'll post my memories of his stewardship.

You did I never said we should sack managers every season, only the Clement should be removed. I've said previously we were too quick to sack Gio. I refuse to discuss with trolls who don't want discussion. You're good at quoting parts of the post and not in context. You're also good at asking questions but not answering. So there is little / no reason to indulge in a discussion with you. If you are happy with Clement then fine, that's your opinion and you are more than entitled to it. Those who want Celemet sacked are just as entitled to their opinion. It would benefit the discussion if you could give reasons (other than not sacking managers every season) as to why keeping Clement is a better option than removing him. I believe I've given my reasons for wanting him removed, let's hear your counter argument.

Bit it's not every season though is it. Not you like you get anything wrong or misrepresent a post.

The premise of your post is correct but Davie Weir isn't leaving Brighton to come and work for Rangers any time soon, if we had tried to get him a few years ago, it may have been a different story. McCann has been a failure as a coach at Falkirk and a few other lower level clubs, so shouldn't be considered in my opinion (I liked McCann as a player and he is also a decent pundit). The issue we have is that historically, we haven't had or currently got anyone at the club qualified to make footballing recruitment decisions (players and managers- the jury is still out on Koppen). We've won 3 domestic trophies in 10 years but have gotten to the business end of EL in the last 5 or 6 seasons, including a final that we should have won. Competing (which will lead to winning) in Scotland shouldn't be difficult. Beat the rest consistently then the OF games take care of themselves. Another trophy-less season and another Celtic treble and some seem to think it'll magically get better next season. Spoiler alert - unless we change the manager, it won't. If you read David Holmes book he mentions that when he joined the Rangers board it was akin to a Bowling Club Committee - sadly, he'd say the same if he was on the board at the moment. Until we rid ourselves of the amateurs like the Parks, we're only going in one direction, and it ain't forwards.

I always thought that if McCoist & Hateley were fit / available to play together in all the group games we'd have qualified and won it. I'm sure Ian Durrant played up front just behind Hateley against Brugge and Hateley was harshly sent off. That was our opportunity to win the big one but as per usual things conspired against us.

You're correct, it was Killie. Don't know where I got Motherwell 😀

Well let's hope our lot realise before it's too late (if it isn't already too late).