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30 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

The SNP's decisions are all taken by individuals, many of which have shown anti-Rangers feelings.

 

On the flip-side, I can't think of one SNP official either at SNP or local level who admits to being a Rangers supporter. Why is that?

I would say that is pretty obvious. Let's face it, Rangers are hated by every other footie fan in Scotland, therefore any person looking to gain political sway will not get it by tying our colours to their mast. 

8 minutes ago, Bill said:

The old evidence ploy again.

 

Why? Am I your Wikipedia service? If you think I'm wrong then say so and feel free to provide your own evidence - if you don't then the jot I don't care is yours to keep.

Only asking Bill. It said on here like a fact therefore I was just curious about what leads people to make this assessment (outwith a few misguided tweets by certain individuals). Certain polls amongst Gers fans prior to Indy Ref in 2014 suggested 50/50 split so it was seem like political lunacy to go all out and target Rangers. If those numbers are a reflection of our total fanbase (which is huge) it would seem even more silly.

2 minutes ago, Bill said:

Thanks for biting. Before I answer your question, can you help me out ... have any of the organisations or nationalities you mention been guilty of the same antagonism against Rangers and its fans as the SNP. I'm not aware they have and have no issue with any of them but since you choose to name them here, in the context of this topic, I suspect you have some knowledge I don't. Once again thanks for biting.

Can you provide evidence of the SNP (the party, not individuals) showing antogonism towards Rangers FC?

7 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Neither have I.

 

For some of us though, the two things (Unionism and Rangers) are in alignment.  

Good luck to them as they are more than entitled to their view. Just don't label fellow fans with divisive and loaded monikers for taking different view. 

47 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

We bow to your political and football superiority.*

 

But alas Rangers will continue to be attacked by certain parties whilst we do so.

 

 

*Only joking.

Fair doos but I've never gone into any voting booth and assessed my options though a filter based on my football allegiance. 

7 minutes ago, Darthter said:

Also, I don't let my political views dictate which football team I want to support ( and vice versa)....something which is very clearly NOT the case with many on here.

This. In a nurshell

19 minutes ago, trublusince1982 said:

Maybe, hard to know. Didn't see an official attendance 

By all accounts people did not get in until 20/30 mins after kick off. No great surprise to anyone who's had the misfortune of entering that dump

15 minutes ago, trublusince1982 said:

Liverpool v psg for adults start at £9 going upto £59.

 

The £9 is prices for locals

 

Guy on FF earlier saying his ticket for Liverpool is £42. 

 

Celtic are £72 for the package but that's because they can't sellout their games so less demand 

 

On a side note nobody is talking about the amount of empty seats at the old firm game. No wonder they are moaning about the reduced allocation when they can't even sell that game out

Were the empty seats related to the shambles going on outside their tin pot stadium?

6 hours ago, trublusince1982 said:

£117 for non season ticket holders or £41 a ticket.

 

That's very steep IMO

I hope Charlie knows a good glazier. He might need one soon...

The best and only way to really get to them is to beat them on the pitch. Simples. 

21 minutes ago, forlanssister said:

To me doing a "lap of honour" 4 games into a league campaign is simply bizarre in the extreme, they scared it's the only opportunity to do one this season?

I bet they didn't do a lap of honour after beating Hamilton at home last week

19 minutes ago, RANGERRAB said:

£105 for the EL is a bit much tbh. For CL yes but not the EL.

Just hope we don’t up up with lots of empty seats.

I remember this happened back in the 90's with our CL campaign with Juve, Dortmund and Steaua. The 3 game price package were way too high and there were loads of empty seats. Dortmund at home for example was only about 33,000. 

I'm no business expert but surely a price structure that enables 3 full houses has many benefits. On a football front, there is nothing more demoralising than empty seats and we will need the crowd for these games. On the commercial side, surely more people means more being spent in the stadium etc. 

Are celtic not doing theirs for about £72? 

2 minutes ago, barca72 said:

Does this offend you? ...

 

 

Deary me

8 minutes ago, stewarty said:

They live near Ibrox stadium.  For the sake of argument you could just call the stadium footprint an extended fan zone for every home game.  To object to having a specific family friendly entertainment zone would suggest to me that they have another agenda at play.

 

 

You don't know and I don't why residents objected therefore until we know all the facts can we move away from the knee jerk "Rangers haters" reaction. I'm not naive. I'm fully aware we have our detractors but if we start seeing so called "enemies" in every knook and crannie of society, that's troubling.

14 minutes ago, Walterbear said:

Here are the 20th June minutes. Note Stephen Dornan is in attendance and vote was a show of residents hands. Much discussion and objection so not beyond the realms of possibility that the local council have been heavily influenced by arguments from Rangers hating Dornan and the ‘residents show of hands’ included folk who might not normally attend, knowing what was to be discussed and how the vote would be constituted. Speculation I know but a good chance this was a decision influenced by a few Rangers haters as the other argument in respect of facility usage does not stand up to scrutiny. 

 

Local Rangers fans should get along to these meetings as they can change things directly. The community council is supposed to be apolitical btw. 

 

http://ibroxcessnockcc.weebly.com/minutes

Maybe...just maybe, some residents didn't want a football fanzone beside their house. I know I wouldn't want one near my house. 

So let me get this straight...according to some I'm only welcome to be proper Rangers fan as long as I think the same as them. So much for a broad church

7 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Can you list what opinions are allowed on here, for future reference?

 

Thanks.

No thanks but using language that infers that fans with an alternative view are somehow colluding with the "enemy" is disrespecful.  This is not directed at you but the general tone of certain posts in this thread

19 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Darther has picked a side.

Stop being so divisive for goodness sakes. This post has almost got to the stage where some Rangers fans on here are almost being labelled unworthy due to their opinions on certain matters. This forum is not about that. If you want everyone to tow your party line there are plenty of myopic Rangers forums that will accommodate you.

There

2 hours ago, Rick Roberts said:

Caught some after match BBC scotland in my kitchen, possibly thru shear masochism. 

 

One thing that stood out was the lack of interviews with anyone Rangers. I forgot what i was listening to and found myself waiting to hear from Gerrard. It's a huge gaping chasm in their coverage.

 

Gerrard's words were read back. But woefully misrepresented. His comment on the ref and the match defining goal were fair imho. Laughed at by panel. Dick Gordon later scoffing at "Gerrard blaming ref for defeat". 

 

McGregor obviously got some attention. I think it was Michael Stewart going off on him. Of course, morelos and other Rangers incidents get aired in his rant. One of the other panel said Ajer coulve left a bit on, was met with "oh i never saw that". The rant then weirdly went on to claiming the euro ran has been an exercise in parking the bus. Very bizarre.

 

Oh and Willie Miller is a bitter bastard too. 

 

Sadly we never gave them anything to think about or shut them up. 

 

I'm going to refer to my fathers lifetime football mantra but there is only one way to address this and every other thread on here that raises what we feel is an injustice against Rangers. Whether it's the BBC, politicians, Broonie and his scrote like behaviour, their fans, pundits etc. etc. just make sure you win on the pitch, do your talking with your football and bring home the trophies.

15 minutes ago, Darthter said:

My thoughts on the game:

 

We played right into Ceptic hands...and played exactly how every other team plays.

They like to build from the back - casually passing between their back 4 & holding Mids.  They rarely get ANY pressure from the opposition while doing this.  Morelos would occasionally have a wee 1/2 hearted run at them, but nothing sustained or in any numbers.  This allows them to firstly increase their possession stats considerably & also allows them to survey the play ahead of them.  Gives the more forward players time to move about & create space.  Then all it takes is 2-3 passes and their swarming the penalty box.  As a result this makes Broonaldo look a helluva lot better than he actually is.

Most team that have been them have identified this and press their defenders relentlessly .

 

We simply did not press them enough for large parts of the game.  Instead we invited them to attack & tried to soak up the pressure - which I think we did VERY well.  I find that I'm no longer getting really nervous whenever a ball is played into our box.  Soaking up that amount of pressure for 90mins is an exceedingly big ask for ANY team.

 

I felt that our 2nd biggest flaw was too many long balls from McGregor.  We were not winning the either the 1st or 2nd balls from the keepers long punts.  This allowed them to reset & attack again - giving us no rest. 

We had very little opportunity to actually get a breather & retain possession for any length of time.

 

I would like to have seen more pressure put on Broonaldo....booked after 10mins, we should have been right in his face and niggling him at EVERY opportunity.

 

Ultimately we needed to push the game further up the pitch & let their midfield know that they are in a game....just didn't happen though.

 

Overall, disappointed with the result but generally content with the play - we looked solid enough & with a few wee tweaks, could change things significantly.

Agree with every word of that Darther. Your point about Brown was spot on. We should have been on him straight after that yellow card. We made it easy for him

Please move this or shut it down

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

I realise my over-whelming sense of disappointment about yesterday is largely down to my feelings of optimism about our team as August progressed. Not since our first match against them since promotion back up to the SPFL have I gone into a game against them actually believing we could win it. It's the hope that kills you and all that... It's not the result that's so disappointing, rather it was the performance. It feels like an opportunity lost, clearly Celtic were having issues behind the scenes whilst we were on something of a roll. In my opinion we got our tactics wrong, particularly in the first half. 

 

However, most of our players will get a break now and that can only be a good thing. It was a difficult start to the season, with a brand new side and brand new manager. Dropping 7 points from a possible 9 away from home is poor by anyone's standards, but, there's some mitigation with our European matches and our over-achievement in them. 

 

How we bounce back from this first set-back will be revealing. That's how we'll know what kind of team we now have. Full league points for the rest of September please. 

Agree with all of that John. Feeling less raw at the moment compared to yesterday but I still feel rather disappointed. Having seen what Hearts did to them, I was hoping we would do something similar. A higher line and press would have opened the game up somewhat and there is good chance we would have lost more goals but we seemed to set the tone of the game by sitting deep from the first whistle. Their CB's could have played the game in their slippers in the 1st half. 

My pros and cons would be as follows:

PROS

1. I think a rugged 45 minutes of attacks/corners/free kicks will be a great lesson for our back 4 (especially the CB's) and will hold us in good stead. Despite being about 12/13 games in we look quite settled and relatively solid.

2. We clearly are building a good team ethic/spirit with a team willing to work for each other (as illustrated at the final whistle on Thursday)

CONS

1. Our ball retention was appalling (fatigue or not) and only served to make the game easier for them. A similar thing happened in the 2nd half of the Motherwell game and it is a bit of worry.

2. Game management. It was obvious to everyone that we needed to get further up the pitch but the fact that it took so long was kind of worrying.

In the end it was a bit Johnny Nash for me ie. More questions than answers

1 minute ago, Gonzo79 said:

We weren't good enough.  It's that simple. 

 

You can't let a team run all over the top of you like that.  I hope Gerrard has learned from yesterday.

I think the players and management will learn. One of my concerns is that 5pts from 12 leaves us looking for a pretty flawless record until the next OF game as they won't drop many points tbh. I hope playing under that pressure doesn't effect the players.

Asked this question on the game thread.. do they do this after every league game at the cesspit? If not they truly are pathetic. I see the ring leaders were Beavis and Butthead. No surprise there